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[Jean-Paul Louis <louijp@xxxxxxxxx>]

I agree 150% with Bernhard.

A disabled Python is 150% better than no new build at all.

I do not understand why OS X users are considered second class citizens.

Just my $0.02,
Jean-Paul
N1JPL



> On Mar 16, 2017, at 2:06 PM, Bernhard Stegmaier <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> I have just seen people on the forum complaining that OSX nightlies still don’t build.
> 
> @Simon:
> Do you intend to push your changes, no matter how hackish? 
> Might at least be a start to work with.
> 
> Or, just disable python scripting at all until the whole python bundling has been sorted out?
> Having no python scripting is better than having no build or a build where it doesn’t work right...
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Bernhard
> 
>> On 21 Feb 2017, at 18:56, Simon Wells <swel024@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> 
>> I have previously sent a patch to adam for testing that bundled
>> python. but it was a bit hackish as since python is a system lib
>> bundleutilies doesn't copy it.
>> 
>> On 21 February 2017 at 21:28, Bernhard Stegmaier
>> <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 21 Feb 2017, at 00:31, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 2/20/2017 6:27 PM, Nick Østergaard wrote:
>>> 
>>> 2017-02-20 23:48 GMT+01:00 Bernhard Stegmaier <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>> 
>>> How is this done on Windows?
>>> You also don’t have a global filesystem with one Python there where you just
>>> copy it into the right place… where does the Windows installer put those
>>> files and how do you use them from some installed Python? Are there issues
>>> with library paths of the library dependencies that come with KiCAD when
>>> used from an external Python?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I am not aware of any issues with it on windows, but I don't really use
>>> windows.
>>> 
>>> People have requested to include pip with the windows install, and
>>> that is done now, so I assume that at least something works.
>>> 
>>> I am not sure if the user uses the shell inside pcbnew or calls the
>>> python bundled with the installer. The file system layout is basically
>>> as on linux, just inside the install destination folder.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Would something like this work on osx rather than trying to fit into an
>>> existing python install?  It might prove to be more reliable.  At least
>>> you would always have a known python build.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Yes, that’s probably the only way to do it in a safe way for the bundle
>>> (and, as Adam said how Apple requires it).
>>> Currently only wxPython packages and the pcbnew .so are copied into the
>>> bundle.
>>> There is no (matching) python installation contained/copied.
>>> 
>>> This seems to be sufficient to at least run the python console from inside
>>> pcbnew with some external python installation - if the python version used
>>> to build the bundle and the one on the target system are compatible.
>>> However, the last time I tried it the python console was really unusable for
>>> me, because you couldn’t even type some keys (menu hotkeys always trigger
>>> the menu action).
>>> Don’t know if that has been fixed meanwhile.
>>> 
>>> So, I think this whole python stuff needs a big overhaul on macOS for both
>>> types of scripting.
>>> I will work on it when I have some spare time.
>>> If someone else is going to work on that please drop me a note, so that we
>>> don’t do it twice…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Bernhard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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