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[Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>]

Thanks Adam and Simon for taking care of this!

On 3/16/2017 6:24 PM, Adam Wolf wrote:
> I have some time to do testing on this now that the stable package is
> finished.
> 
> Simon, please resend if possible and I'll take a look this weekend.
> 
> Adam Wolf
> 
> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017, 5:05 PM Simon Wells <swel024@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:swel024@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> 
>     the problem is most of the python bundling crap is in patches (and
>     yeah it is a bit hackish) wwas passed off to adam for testing but he
>     never came back. but its also reliant on the python build not being
>     broken. It is also as unhackish as it will get due to how cmake works,
>     althought we MAY be able to push something upstream to cmake to fix
>     DUE to the python bundling guidelines released by apple but i don't
>     know whether they give a damn about them. and whats required to follow
>     apples guidelides re python bundling.
> 
> 
> 
>     On 17 March 2017 at 10:35, Bernhard Stegmaier
>     <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>     > As I said before, I plan to work on the whole python packaging
>     stuff as discussed below if no one else volunteers to do before.
>     > I had some look around on how to do this, but I didn’t find any
>     out-of-the-box solution which could be integrated quickly.
>     > Unfortunately, I am still busy with other (non KiCad) things and
>     it will still take a few weeks until I can start working on it (I
>     hope during easter holidays)…
>     >
>     >> On 16 Mar 2017, at 22:08, Chris Pavlina <pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>     >>
>     >> I'm of two minds on this. On one hand, I'd like to disable
>     scripting on
>     >> the macOS nightlies until it's fixed, so macOS users still *have*
>     >> nightlies. On the other hand, I worry that doing so will remove
>     >> motivation to actually fix it.
>     >>
>     >> Is anyone actually _actively working on a fix_? I keep seeing chatter
>     >> about this, but no actual attempts to fix it.
>     >>
>     >> Honestly I think the patch that broke the build should be
>     reverted until
>     >> a fix can be prepared, but considering who submitted it, I doubt I'll
>     >> have any say there.
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 04:56:14PM -0400, Jean-Paul Louis wrote:
>     >>> I agree 150% with Bernhard.
>     >>>
>     >>> A disabled Python is 150% better than no new build at all.
>     >>>
>     >>> I do not understand why OS X users are considered second class
>     citizens.
>     >>>
>     >>> Just my $0.02,
>     >>> Jean-Paul
>     >>> N1JPL
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>> On Mar 16, 2017, at 2:06 PM, Bernhard Stegmaier
>     <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>     >>>>
>     >>>> I have just seen people on the forum complaining that OSX
>     nightlies still don’t build.
>     >>>>
>     >>>> @Simon:
>     >>>> Do you intend to push your changes, no matter how hackish?
>     >>>> Might at least be a start to work with.
>     >>>>
>     >>>> Or, just disable python scripting at all until the whole python
>     bundling has been sorted out?
>     >>>> Having no python scripting is better than having no build or a
>     build where it doesn’t work right...
>     >>>>
>     >>>>
>     >>>> Regards,
>     >>>> Bernhard
>     >>>>
>     >>>>> On 21 Feb 2017, at 18:56, Simon Wells <swel024@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:swel024@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> I have previously sent a patch to adam for testing that bundled
>     >>>>> python. but it was a bit hackish as since python is a system lib
>     >>>>> bundleutilies doesn't copy it.
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> On 21 February 2017 at 21:28, Bernhard Stegmaier
>     >>>>> <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> On 21 Feb 2017, at 00:31, Wayne Stambaugh
>     <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> On 2/20/2017 6:27 PM, Nick Østergaard wrote:
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> 2017-02-20 23:48 GMT+01:00 Bernhard Stegmaier
>     <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>:
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> How is this done on Windows?
>     >>>>>> You also don’t have a global filesystem with one Python there
>     where you just
>     >>>>>> copy it into the right place… where does the Windows
>     installer put those
>     >>>>>> files and how do you use them from some installed Python? Are
>     there issues
>     >>>>>> with library paths of the library dependencies that come with
>     KiCAD when
>     >>>>>> used from an external Python?
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> I am not aware of any issues with it on windows, but I don't
>     really use
>     >>>>>> windows.
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> People have requested to include pip with the windows
>     install, and
>     >>>>>> that is done now, so I assume that at least something works.
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> I am not sure if the user uses the shell inside pcbnew or
>     calls the
>     >>>>>> python bundled with the installer. The file system layout is
>     basically
>     >>>>>> as on linux, just inside the install destination folder.
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> Would something like this work on osx rather than trying to
>     fit into an
>     >>>>>> existing python install?  It might prove to be more
>     reliable.  At least
>     >>>>>> you would always have a known python build.
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> Yes, that’s probably the only way to do it in a safe way for
>     the bundle
>     >>>>>> (and, as Adam said how Apple requires it).
>     >>>>>> Currently only wxPython packages and the pcbnew .so are
>     copied into the
>     >>>>>> bundle.
>     >>>>>> There is no (matching) python installation contained/copied.
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> This seems to be sufficient to at least run the python
>     console from inside
>     >>>>>> pcbnew with some external python installation - if the python
>     version used
>     >>>>>> to build the bundle and the one on the target system are
>     compatible.
>     >>>>>> However, the last time I tried it the python console was
>     really unusable for
>     >>>>>> me, because you couldn’t even type some keys (menu hotkeys
>     always trigger
>     >>>>>> the menu action).
>     >>>>>> Don’t know if that has been fixed meanwhile.
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> So, I think this whole python stuff needs a big overhaul on
>     macOS for both
>     >>>>>> types of scripting.
>     >>>>>> I will work on it when I have some spare time.
>     >>>>>> If someone else is going to work on that please drop me a
>     note, so that we
>     >>>>>> don’t do it twice…
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> Regards,
>     >>>>>> Bernhard
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
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