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[Chris Pavlina <pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 09:56:14AM -0400, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 08:08:28AM -0400, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
> > Would someone please disable python scripting on OSX builds so we can
> > provide nightly builds until we can find a solution for the python issue.
> > 
> > On 3/16/2017 4:56 PM, Jean-Paul Louis wrote:
> > > I agree 150% with Bernhard.
> > > 
> > > A disabled Python is 150% better than no new build at all.
> > > 
> > > I do not understand why OS X users are considered second class citizens.
> > 
> > I'm sorry you feel this way but this has nothing to do with OSX being
> > second class and every thing to do with the simple fact that there are
> > far more windows and linux devs so things tend to get fixed faster on
> > those platforms.
> 
> In his defense, that's kinda the definition of a second class citizen.
> Not that it's our _fault_, we don't have many developers for macOS. But
> that doesn't make it not true. :\
> 
> Wayne, would you be okay with disabling scripting on the macOS builds
> until scripting is fixed for them?

...and I hear you've already addressed that. Never mind :)

> 
> > Your comments doe nothing to encourage the few OSX
> > devs that we do have.  Perhaps a better way to motivate them would be to
> > thank them for their efforts.
> > 
> > > 
> > > Just my $0.02,
> > > Jean-Paul
> > > N1JPL
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >> On Mar 16, 2017, at 2:06 PM, Bernhard Stegmaier <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I have just seen people on the forum complaining that OSX nightlies still don’t build.
> > >>
> > >> @Simon:
> > >> Do you intend to push your changes, no matter how hackish? 
> > >> Might at least be a start to work with.
> > >>
> > >> Or, just disable python scripting at all until the whole python bundling has been sorted out?
> > >> Having no python scripting is better than having no build or a build where it doesn’t work right...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Bernhard
> > >>
> > >>> On 21 Feb 2017, at 18:56, Simon Wells <swel024@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> I have previously sent a patch to adam for testing that bundled
> > >>> python. but it was a bit hackish as since python is a system lib
> > >>> bundleutilies doesn't copy it.
> > >>>
> > >>> On 21 February 2017 at 21:28, Bernhard Stegmaier
> > >>> <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 21 Feb 2017, at 00:31, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 2/20/2017 6:27 PM, Nick Østergaard wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 2017-02-20 23:48 GMT+01:00 Bernhard Stegmaier <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> How is this done on Windows?
> > >>>> You also don’t have a global filesystem with one Python there where you just
> > >>>> copy it into the right place… where does the Windows installer put those
> > >>>> files and how do you use them from some installed Python? Are there issues
> > >>>> with library paths of the library dependencies that come with KiCAD when
> > >>>> used from an external Python?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I am not aware of any issues with it on windows, but I don't really use
> > >>>> windows.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> People have requested to include pip with the windows install, and
> > >>>> that is done now, so I assume that at least something works.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I am not sure if the user uses the shell inside pcbnew or calls the
> > >>>> python bundled with the installer. The file system layout is basically
> > >>>> as on linux, just inside the install destination folder.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Would something like this work on osx rather than trying to fit into an
> > >>>> existing python install?  It might prove to be more reliable.  At least
> > >>>> you would always have a known python build.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Yes, that’s probably the only way to do it in a safe way for the bundle
> > >>>> (and, as Adam said how Apple requires it).
> > >>>> Currently only wxPython packages and the pcbnew .so are copied into the
> > >>>> bundle.
> > >>>> There is no (matching) python installation contained/copied.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> This seems to be sufficient to at least run the python console from inside
> > >>>> pcbnew with some external python installation - if the python version used
> > >>>> to build the bundle and the one on the target system are compatible.
> > >>>> However, the last time I tried it the python console was really unusable for
> > >>>> me, because you couldn’t even type some keys (menu hotkeys always trigger
> > >>>> the menu action).
> > >>>> Don’t know if that has been fixed meanwhile.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> So, I think this whole python stuff needs a big overhaul on macOS for both
> > >>>> types of scripting.
> > >>>> I will work on it when I have some spare time.
> > >>>> If someone else is going to work on that please drop me a note, so that we
> > >>>> don’t do it twice…
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Regards,
> > >>>> Bernhard
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
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