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[Nick Østergaard <oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx>]

I have disabled scripting.

2017-03-17 15:04 GMT+01:00 Chris Pavlina <pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx>:
> On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 10:01:20AM -0400, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
>> On 3/17/2017 9:56 AM, Chris Pavlina wrote:
>> > On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 08:08:28AM -0400, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
>> >> Would someone please disable python scripting on OSX builds so we can
>> >> provide nightly builds until we can find a solution for the python issue.
>> >>
>> >> On 3/16/2017 4:56 PM, Jean-Paul Louis wrote:
>> >>> I agree 150% with Bernhard.
>> >>>
>> >>> A disabled Python is 150% better than no new build at all.
>> >>>
>> >>> I do not understand why OS X users are considered second class citizens.
>> >>
>> >> I'm sorry you feel this way but this has nothing to do with OSX being
>> >> second class and every thing to do with the simple fact that there are
>> >> far more windows and linux devs so things tend to get fixed faster on
>> >> those platforms.
>> >
>> > In his defense, that's kinda the definition of a second class citizen.
>> > Not that it's our _fault_, we don't have many developers for macOS. But
>> > that doesn't make it not true. :\
>>
>> I wish I had a better answer to this issue but I don't.
>
> Same here. In fact I have the hardware/software resources to do macOS
> development but not the time. Hell, my own *main* kicad work has been
> delayed for weeks, and it'd take me ages just to get to the bottom of
> what's going on here and understand it all, let alone find a fix :(
>
>>
>> >
>> > Wayne, would you be okay with disabling scripting on the macOS builds
>> > until scripting is fixed for them?
>>
>> I replied to an email earlier to request that we disable python
>> scripting on osx until the python build issues are a resolved.  Did it
>> not make it through?
>
> Nah, there's just been enough discussion on this issue that I've managed
> to miss and/or forget some.
>
>>
>> >
>> >> Your comments doe nothing to encourage the few OSX
>> >> devs that we do have.  Perhaps a better way to motivate them would be to
>> >> thank them for their efforts.
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> Just my $0.02,
>> >>> Jean-Paul
>> >>> N1JPL
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Mar 16, 2017, at 2:06 PM, Bernhard Stegmaier <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I have just seen people on the forum complaining that OSX nightlies still don’t build.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> @Simon:
>> >>>> Do you intend to push your changes, no matter how hackish?
>> >>>> Might at least be a start to work with.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Or, just disable python scripting at all until the whole python bundling has been sorted out?
>> >>>> Having no python scripting is better than having no build or a build where it doesn’t work right...
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Regards,
>> >>>> Bernhard
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On 21 Feb 2017, at 18:56, Simon Wells <swel024@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I have previously sent a patch to adam for testing that bundled
>> >>>>> python. but it was a bit hackish as since python is a system lib
>> >>>>> bundleutilies doesn't copy it.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On 21 February 2017 at 21:28, Bernhard Stegmaier
>> >>>>> <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 21 Feb 2017, at 00:31, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 2/20/2017 6:27 PM, Nick Østergaard wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> 2017-02-20 23:48 GMT+01:00 Bernhard Stegmaier <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> How is this done on Windows?
>> >>>>>> You also don’t have a global filesystem with one Python there where you just
>> >>>>>> copy it into the right place… where does the Windows installer put those
>> >>>>>> files and how do you use them from some installed Python? Are there issues
>> >>>>>> with library paths of the library dependencies that come with KiCAD when
>> >>>>>> used from an external Python?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I am not aware of any issues with it on windows, but I don't really use
>> >>>>>> windows.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> People have requested to include pip with the windows install, and
>> >>>>>> that is done now, so I assume that at least something works.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I am not sure if the user uses the shell inside pcbnew or calls the
>> >>>>>> python bundled with the installer. The file system layout is basically
>> >>>>>> as on linux, just inside the install destination folder.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Would something like this work on osx rather than trying to fit into an
>> >>>>>> existing python install?  It might prove to be more reliable.  At least
>> >>>>>> you would always have a known python build.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Yes, that’s probably the only way to do it in a safe way for the bundle
>> >>>>>> (and, as Adam said how Apple requires it).
>> >>>>>> Currently only wxPython packages and the pcbnew .so are copied into the
>> >>>>>> bundle.
>> >>>>>> There is no (matching) python installation contained/copied.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> This seems to be sufficient to at least run the python console from inside
>> >>>>>> pcbnew with some external python installation - if the python version used
>> >>>>>> to build the bundle and the one on the target system are compatible.
>> >>>>>> However, the last time I tried it the python console was really unusable for
>> >>>>>> me, because you couldn’t even type some keys (menu hotkeys always trigger
>> >>>>>> the menu action).
>> >>>>>> Don’t know if that has been fixed meanwhile.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> So, I think this whole python stuff needs a big overhaul on macOS for both
>> >>>>>> types of scripting.
>> >>>>>> I will work on it when I have some spare time.
>> >>>>>> If someone else is going to work on that please drop me a note, so that we
>> >>>>>> don’t do it twice…
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>>> Bernhard
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
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