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[Oliver Walters <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>]

Fabrizio,

If the .dcm fields are all empty then that's a library management issue and
the developers forum is probably not the best place for discussing that :)

On 24 May 2017 17:11, "Fabrizio Tappero" <fabrizio.tappero@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Oliver,

How would I realize that? "Description" field does not appear in the
schematic component properties window. Maximum freedom to add all fields
the user wants should, I think, be imperative. btw, all description field
content coming from .dcm is actually empty in all my schematics.

cheers
Fabrizio


On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 12:51 AM, Oliver Walters <
oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Cirilo,
>
> I think the major issue here is that I introduced a previously
> invisible-to-the-user field called "Description" which is lifted from the
> .dcm file. Fabrizio had a custom field called "Description" as he did not
> know that this other field existed.
>
> Just as people would not have a custom field called "Footprint", I think
> that once people realize that the "Description" field is inherent to the
> symbol itself, they will rename such custom fields to something else.
>
>
>
> Also, I note that there seems to be a duplication of fields already -
> there's a "Datasheet" field and a "Documentation" field, one lives in the
> .dcm file and one in the .lib file. This seems to be much more of a source
> of confusion to me.
>
> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 8:20 AM, Cirilo Bernardo <
> cirilo.bernardo@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 1:10 PM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> > On 5/23/2017 4:17 AM, Fabrizio Tappero wrote:
>> >> cheers Oliver,
>> >> I do not know what a .dcm file is.
>> >>
>> >> I am not sure it is a good idea to have a in-built field called
>> >> Description in the table viewer. But I can easily see how that is
>> >> useful. I guess you would like to use this table to add info. This
>> makes
>> >> it non a table viewer. The current icon label says "Component table
>> >> view" which I find ambiguous. Maybe Wayne can jump in with a proper
>> name
>> >> for it.
>> >
>> > The component information strings are not fields.  They are part of the
>> > component definition and are not user definable.  There are four
>> > component information definitions: name, description, key words (tags),
>> > and documentation file name.  You could create fields with the same
>> > names so I can understand how this could be confusing.
>> >
>> > Toolbar button tooltips should be a verb followed by a short
>> > description.  In this case "Edit component properties" would work.
>> >
>>
>> Perhaps the software should (re)assign the names of the first 4 fields and
>> use a 2-part name to distinguish them from anything else? Maybe a special
>> character at the front of the name would be enough - let's say '@'.  That
>> shouldn't look too ugly and it's unlikely someone would begin a field name
>> with '@' (or some other suitable character). At any rate, if the user can
>> give an arbitrary field > 4 a name which happens to match a name of one
>> of the first 4 fields, we need some scheme so that users (and machines!)
>> can distinguish the special fields.
>>
>> - Cirilo
>>
>> >>
>> >> I am having the feeling the development of this table did not come from
>> >> a clean plan of having an XYZ tool. Or maybe is just me. Please dont
>> get
>> >> me wrong, I love this table (and the soon to come new icon) but it
>> might
>> >> be a good idea to drop the word viewer for it if we want the (great)
>> >> ability to edit stuff.
>> >>
>> >> I hope this helps.
>> >>
>> >> Fabrizio
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Oliver Walters
>> >> <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>> >>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>     Fabrizio,
>> >>
>> >>     1. You have added a custom field called "Description".
>> >>     2. The table viewer has an "inbuild" field called "Description". It
>> >>     populates this field with the component description which is found
>> >>     in the .dcm files
>> >>
>> >>     Here's what I see.
>> >>
>> >>     Inline image 1
>> >>
>> >>     Here I have added the custom "description" field with dummy data to
>> >>     only one component.
>> >>
>> >>     The first "Description" column is filled with the symbol
>> >>     descriptions from the .dcm files in the library.
>> >>
>> >>     If you are missing the .dcm files then your first column will be
>> empty.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>     On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 5:57 PM, Fabrizio Tappero
>> >>     <fabrizio.tappero@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:fabrizio.tappero@xxxxxxxxx>>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>         Hi Oliver,
>> >>         not sure I understand the question. This is what my schematic
>> >>         components fields look like:
>> >>
>> >>         Inline image 1
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>         cheers
>> >>         Fabrizio
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>         On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Andrey Kuznetsov
>> >>         <kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>             Previous bug even works without modifying a field, all I
>> >>             have to do is enter a field edit mode and click somewhere
>> >>             else, and that field's value will be copied to where ever I
>> >>             clicked, this will cause a lot of grief when users decide
>> to
>> >>             cancel editing and click elsewhere to discard changes, or
>> so
>> >>             they think that's what should have happened.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>             A few more things:
>> >>             1. When I click Apply changes, the RED markings/modified
>> >>             fields should disappear when the changes have been
>> >>             successfully applied
>> >>             2. Undo/Redo should work inside Component Table to undo
>> each
>> >>             user action, instead of having the user to discard all
>> >>             changes and start over
>> >>             3. There's something weird going on when you try to edit a
>> >>             field, it seems that have to click 4 times to enter edit
>> >>             mode, 2 times is what I expect. Also perhaps some weird
>> >>             delay that prevents me from entering edit mode.
>> >>
>> >>             On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:39 AM, Andrey Kuznetsov
>> >>             <kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>                 Oliver, found another unexpected behaviour.
>> >>                 When I select a field to edit, for example to replace a
>> >>                 "Part Number" field from AAA to BBB, when I type in BBB
>> >>                 but instead of hitting enter, I click on the next field
>> >>                 below it which belongs to another part, then BBB
>> >>                 modifies that part's field instead of where the editing
>> >>                 took place.
>> >>
>> >>                 On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:28 AM, Oliver Walters
>> >>                 <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>> >>                 <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>                     The "Description" field should be showing the
>> >>                     description of each symbol as it appears in the
>> .dcm
>> >>                     file. It was working for me - do your symbols not
>> >>                     have those descriptions?
>> >>
>> >>                     On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 5:23 PM, Fabrizio Tappero
>> >>                     <fabrizio.tappero@xxxxxxxxx
>> >>                     <mailto:fabrizio.tappero@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>                         Hi Guys,
>> >>                         great ! you guys almost fixed it. It looks like
>> >>                         the column "Description" appears twice and one
>> >>                         of the two is completely empty.
>> >>
>> >>                         cheers
>> >>                         Fabrizio
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>                         Inline image 1
>> >>
>> >>                         On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 10:18 PM, Wayne
>> >>                         Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
>> >>                         <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>                             Oliver,
>> >>
>> >>                             I committed your patch.  Thank you.
>> >>
>> >>                             Wayne
>> >>
>> >>                             On 5/22/2017 10:08 AM, Oliver Walters
>> wrote:
>> >>                             > Bug noted here -
>> >>                             https://lists.launchpad.net/k
>> icad-developers/msg29485.html
>> >>                             <https://lists.launchpad.net/
>> kicad-developers/msg29485.html>
>> >>                             >
>> >>                             > Patch attached to this email fixes glitch
>> >>                             when user adds custom field
>> >>                             > with same name as a default field.
>> >>                             >
>> >>                             > Users can now do this to their heart's
>> >>                             content.
>> >>                             >
>> >>                             >
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