On 7/19/2017 6:17 AM, Fabrizio Tappero wrote:
Hi Wayne,
Thanks for the many messages. I did not know that devs were so into
translation...
My overall effort is to uniformise the Kicad UI and make it consistent
and as correct as possible.
Currently in Kicad we are using "Rotate 90 deg CW" and "Rotate 90 deg
CCW" in many many menus (see below). This expression is also used in
Inkscape, a pretty high standard software for vector image manipulation.
I personally think that consistency is the most important aspect of my
contributions and, despite loving internal conversations about
translations, etc I think we need to pick what is considered the best
expression and use it coherently in all kicad menus. I have the feeling
that if I submit a similar patch in few months, this kind of discussion
will come up again. In a way this is typical of open-source software, so
maybe it is not a bad thing.
I'm fine with consistent but consistently incorrect or confusing is no
better than inconsistent.
In my opinion I think it would be good not to reinvent expressions. I
think "CW" and "CCW" is a perfectly understandable and usable expression.
CW and CCW are not expressions. They are abbreviations which may not be
understood outside of English. I would prefer not to use abbreviations
except for units unless space is at a premium. In this case, I don't
think there is a space issue. Please use terms clockwise and
counterclockwise. These are the correct English terms for rotation
direction.
The custom-defined rotation value is a new piece of info, thanks Wayne
for that! does it apply to all rotations?
This only applies when the user changes the default rotation angle from
90 to something else. The rotation angle is fixed to 90 in the
schematic, symbol library, and footprint library editors and is user
configurable in the board editor.
Please advise how to modify this patch to make it submittable.
Use clockwise and counter clockwise instead of CW and CCW. Either
remove the 90 deg rotation angle or use the user rotation angle in the
board editor menu string. I don't have a preference.
Cheers
Fabrizio
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On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:47 AM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
On 7/18/2017 8:24 PM, Chris Pavlina wrote:
>> (remember, this is localization, not literal translation)
>
> Thank you! en_US should be "counterclockwise" and "clockwise" (or
> even CCW/CW would be easily understood), and different phrasings
> should be used in different languages. Don't avoid "clockwise" in
> English because the French don't use it. It's up to the translators
> to decide how things should be phrased in their locale.
Yes! This is how it should be done.
>
> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 07:19:35PM -0500, José Ignacio wrote:
>> Clockwise and counter-clockwise are the most usual term in American
>> Engish, other localizations should use the most usual term in their
>> respective locales (remember, this is localization, not literal
>> translation). For example in Argentinian Spanish it should be
>> "Horario" and "Antihorario". Encoding information in the icons only
>> is not a good idea, as users can disable them (or the system can
>> disable them by default) also screen readers can't read icons
>> (though i doubt many blind people would be using kicad to lay out
>> circuits).
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 4:00 PM, Clemens Koller <cko@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:cko@xxxxxxxxx>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> If we want to avoid clockwise (CW) and counterclockwise (CCW) I
>>> suggest to add a sign to the rotation, which should be trivial to
>>> translate:
>>>
>>> Mathematics/complex plane stuff tells that: CCW = positive
>>> rotation = rotate + = rot+ CW = negative rotation = rotate - =
>>> rot-
>>>
>>> In german we can use "rotieren +" und "rotieren -".
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Clemens
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2017-07-18 19:34, jp charras wrote:
>>>> Le 18/07/2017 à 19:14, "Jörg Hermann" a écrit :
>>>>> Translation of Clockwise and Counterclockwise are long texts
>>>>> in many
>>> languages:
>>>>> Uhrzeigersinn and Gegenuhrzeigersinn in german for example.
>>>>>
>>>>> If the icon depicts (dynamically) the sense of rotation, the
>>>>> text can
>>> be short as "Rotate" - which
>>>>> is short in many languages. Just an idea?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jörg Hermann
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I agree icons should show the rotation.
>>>>
>>>> However Rotate Clockwise (or Counter Clockwise ) is still
>>>> needed (just
>>> "Rotate" is not acceptable)
>>>> because icons are not always displayed: - On OSX by default
>>>> (although they can be shown, this is an option in
>>> Kicad, now)
>>>> - On Linux, some WM do not display icons in menus.
>>>>
>>>> Besides, English language is know for its short words and
>>>> sentences. Translations are using most of time longer words and
>>>> sentences, and this
>>> is sometimes an issue in menus.
>>>> We (translators) have to live with that.
>>>>
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