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[Jon Evans <jon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I think the Retina display is just one piece of the puzzle re. Mac
performance.  I have a Retina display and don't have any issues with
rendering lag (and don't run in low-DPI mode either).  So, I suspect that
there are some combinations of display + GPU + maybe drivers, library
versions, etc? that can cause poor performance.

-Jon

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov <kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> Yes, I did.
>
> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 9:11 AM Nick Østergaard <oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Did you try the tip mentioned on the webpage?
>>
>> http://kicad-pcb.org/help/known-system-related-issues/#_osx
>>
>> 2017-09-05 16:32 GMT+02:00 Jon Evans <jon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>
>>> Hi Andrey,
>>>
>>> I tried to reproduce this and couldn't.  I'm on 10.12.6, on a 2017 rMBP
>>> with internal display and 2K external display (don't have a 5K, but can't
>>> see how that would matter).  I also tried with an external mouse and didn't
>>> see any issue with the scroll wheel.
>>>
>>> Any other Mac developers have any ideas to help diagnose this?
>>> Andrey, it would probably be good to open a bug report so that this
>>> doesn't get lost in email.
>>>
>>> -Jon
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 7:58 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov <kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here's an example video.
>>>> I move the scroll wheel one at a time at first, and it zooms very slow,
>>>> notice it jumps from like 7x to 22x in a single scroll.
>>>> I tried PCBnew with OpenGL and it has additional problems, it zooms
>>>> pretty fast compared to Eeschema but when it stops, there's 50:50 chance it
>>>> will jump 1 zoom level about a second after the zoom stops, which throws
>>>> you off badly in terms of where you are. It's not my scroll wheel behaving
>>>> badly, scroll wheel is ratcheted, nothing like this happens on web pages,
>>>> pdfs, etc.
>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/rtlzeadfkkf3atn/KiCAD_20170801.mov?dl=0
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov <kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm using last night's nightly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which mac do you have, retina display, external display?
>>>>> My schematic operations are super laggy.
>>>>>
>>>>> To select a few parts, I have to click, wait a few seconds then drag,
>>>>> if I don't wait and start dragging and release, the parts never get
>>>>> selected.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Jon Evans <jon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Andrey,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you running the stable build or the nightlies?
>>>>>> I'm also using 10.12 and while there are some issues, it is usable.
>>>>>> I agree the zooming behavior is somewhat strange on Mac right now, but I
>>>>>> don't have any issues with lag or the other things you describe (I'm using
>>>>>> nightly builds).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Jon
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov <kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Previously used KiCAD on Windows, everything worked well, even the
>>>>>>> nightlies.
>>>>>>> Just started using KiCAD on MAC OSX 10.12.6 on macbook pro 2016 with
>>>>>>> 5K display, tried it without external display, no change, tried with low
>>>>>>> resolution mode for the program, no change, tried reducing screen
>>>>>>> resolution, a little better, but still supper laggy and weird.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Starting a new project and currently working in Eeschema.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It takes 0.7s to rotate an LED symbol clockwise 90 degrees,
>>>>>>> everything is so laggy.
>>>>>>> Selecting parts, half the time doesn't select probably because I
>>>>>>> release too soon, the other half, very slow.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Using the scroll wheel to zoom in and out causes horrendous lags.
>>>>>>> Not only that but somehow it ends up zooming to unpredictable levels when
>>>>>>> only 1 mouse scroll is triggered and inertia disabled, because it keeps
>>>>>>> zooming and I move the mouse, it ends up zooming not where I was originally
>>>>>>> pointing to zoom with 1 scroll wheel trig. For example, sometimes the zoom
>>>>>>> doesn't stop right away so instead of zooming by 10 or 25% it goes from
>>>>>>> 0.6x to 11x, like WTFFFFFF. So the zoom completely doesn't work, useless.
>>>>>>> Why is it that when I press CMD+scroll wheel it scrolls viewport
>>>>>>> horizontally?
>>>>>>> I have 2 scroll wheels, horiz and vert, both are scrolling
>>>>>>> horizontally.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Button tool tips take a very long time to show up, I think 2
>>>>>>> seconds, 0.5s -1s should be used, when you're working and need a quick
>>>>>>> reminder, 2 seconds must as well be 10 seconds.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone else familiar with things I'm experiencing?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> Live Long and Prosper,
>>>>>>> Andrey
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Remember The Past, Live The Present, Change The Future
>>>>> Those who look only to the past or the present are certain to miss the
>>>>> future [JFK]
>>>>>
>>>>> kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Live Long and Prosper,
>>>>> Andrey
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Remember The Past, Live The Present, Change The Future
>>>> Those who look only to the past or the present are certain to miss the
>>>> future [JFK]
>>>>
>>>> kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> Live Long and Prosper,
>>>> Andrey
>>>>
>>>
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> Remember The Past, Live The Present, Change The Future
> Those who look only to the past or the present are certain to miss the
> future [JFK]
>
> kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> Live Long and Prosper,
> Andrey
>