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[Kristoffer Ödmark <kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx>]

I always try to build the package that everyone else is running, and no 
I do not consult the build manual until i have to. That is also why I 
have only tested the simulator that will now be inside v5.

Since we are in feature freeze, and the simulator will be part of kicad. 
I think that the standard build should reflect the packaged kicad.

I do agree that a message that it can be disabled is ok though.

-Kristoffer

On 12/05/2017 05:30 PM, Maciej Sumiński wrote:
> When you build a program, do you always go through its build manual or
> do you start with 'cmake .. && make'? I think there is no point
> enforcing an optional dependency. Another good solution would be to
> autodetect libngspice and enable the simulator if it is available.
>
> On 12/05/2017 05:18 PM, Nick Østergaard wrote:
> > Isn't it good enough to mention it under the KiCad Build Configuration
> > Options in the devdocs as it is already?
> >
> >
> > 2017-12-05 16:56 GMT+01:00 Maciej Sumiński <maciej.suminski@xxxxxxx>:
> >
> > > If everyone agrees that Spice simulator should be enabled by default,
> > > then please display a note saying it is optional and might be disabled
> > > for cases when it is not found by CMake.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Orson
> > >
> > > On 12/05/2017 03:47 PM, Nick Østergaard wrote:
> > > > If they are not available for some reason the packager for that platform
> > > > can disable the feature until he figures out how to support the feature.
> > > >
> > > > I don't really see the rationale in having supported features be enabled
> > > > explicitly.
> > > >
> > > > 2017-12-05 15:33 GMT+01:00 Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>:
> > > >
> > > > > Can we guarantee that these build dependencies are available on all
> > > > > platforms?  I'm primarily think of BSD devs.  For the windows, macos,
> > > > > and linux devs there are no issues.
> > > > >
> > > > > On 12/5/2017 9:28 AM, Nick Østergaard wrote:
> > > > > > I would personally also like to see these options enabled by default.
> > > It
> > > > > > makes it easier for a packager to be convinced what options to
> > > enable...
> > > > > :)
> > > > > > 2017-12-05 15:05 GMT+01:00 Kristoffer Ödmark
> > > > > > <kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx>>:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >      I checked the default package in Ubuntu ppa through a friend.
> > > Indeed
> > > > > >      all of this is enabled.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >      Here I attach a small patch that changes the default compile-flags
> > > > > >      to the ones in the released packages. Its a small fix and it doesnt
> > > > > >      add or remove anything really, just a changes how a default build
> > > > > >      for a novice will look, maybe it will reduce some initial confusion
> > > > > >      for someone.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >      - Kristoffer
> > > > > >
> > > > > >      On 12/04/2017 10:19 PM, Nick Østergaard wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >          Den 4. dec. 2017 18.50 <tel:2017%2018.50> skrev "kristoffer
> > > > > >          Ödmark" <kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx
> > > > > >          <mailto:kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > >          <mailto:kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx
> > > > > >          <mailto:kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx>>>:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >              On 2017-12-04 15:22, Tomasz Wlostowski wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >                  Kristoffer,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >                  You're very welcome to specify how you'd like to have
> > > the
> > > > > >                  Spice-related
> > > > > >                  fields organized - but remember it's not only the
> > > > > >          integrated ngspice
> > > > > >                  simulator that relies on them. People have been
> > > > > >          exporting PSpice
> > > > > >                  netlists from Kicad for a while and AFAIR netlist
> > > export
> > > > > >          depends on
> > > > > >                  these particular fields.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >              Okay, My suggestions:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >              1. Enable the spice simulator by default and start shipping
> > > > > >          it with
> > > > > >              windows nightlies. This way we will find much more bugs.
> > > > > >          Because I
> > > > > >              doubt everyone is running with the simulator on even on
> > > > > >          nightlies.
> > > > > >              Same goes for the OCE and step stuff. This I see as a must
> > > > > >          to get a
> > > > > >              smoother v5 transition for most users, even those moving
> > > > > from v4
> > > > > >              stable to v5 stable without ever trying nightlies.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >          Everything should be enabled for the windows nightlies. It has
> > > > > >          been when the OCE stuff and ngspice stuff was merged. If it not
> > > > > >          it is a bug.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >              2. Parse the "value" field and reference in the simulator
> > > to
> > > > > >          get the
> > > > > >              basic primitives. like Resistor and Capactiors, inductors
> > > > > >          etc, based
> > > > > >              on the first Letter in the Reference. We already have
> > > > > >          name-dependent
> > > > > >              functions for the differential-pair so having this here,
> > > and
> > > > > >              3. Move the Spice_Netlist_Enabled field to a new right-side
> > > > > >          toggle
> > > > > >              menu to select between "Spice and PCB, Spice Only, PCB
> > > > > >          only", so one
> > > > > >              can specify if the item should be added to both the PCB and
> > > > > the
> > > > > >              Spice netlist, or only one of them, by default I guess both
> > > > > >          should
> > > > > >              be enabled.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >              4. When the Spice_Model field is selected, the button "Edit
> > > > > >          Spice
> > > > > >              Model" should be shown under there, instead of always on
> > > the
> > > > > >          left
> > > > > >              side. Just to be more like the other fields.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >              5. Add context-menu entries and toolbar buttons for the
> > > > > >          simulator
> > > > > >              interface.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >              This would make the simulator seem like its a part of kicad
> > > > > >          and not
> > > > > >              only a strange addon that is just hackishly attached to
> > > > > >          kicad with
> > > > > >              duct-tape. Dont get me wrong, Its an awesome feature, and
> > > > > >          works well
> > > > > >              it just looks like an outsider when using it currently.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >                  As for the polishing up before the V5, there's several
> > > > > >          tasks to do:
> > > > > >                  - update the pspice.lib library (it doesn't follow the
> > > > > >          KLC) and make
> > > > > >                  sure all Spice devices are in there.
> > > > > >                  - fix quirks in the plot component (wxMathPlot).
> > > > > >                  - document and make a few example designs (I can help
> > > > > >          with this
> > > > > >                  point).
> > > > > >
> > > > > >                  Cheers,
> > > > > >                  Tom
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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 -Kristoffer