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[Jon Evans <jon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Chris, I thought your kicad-ogltest was going to make it so we could use
OpenGL by default and then automatically fall back to Cairo if there was a
problem -- what ended up happening with that, is there a technical problem
or is it just not there yet?

I'll make a first-run dialog if Wayne approves the idea -- it could be a
handy tool to use for future releases too -- we could store in the user
settings the last version that the first-run dialog was shown for, and
potentially load new first-run content in the future.

-Jon

On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 10:30 PM, Chris Pavlina <pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> I like this. If you don't offer, everyone who's already used KiCad 4 and
> didn't realize they (c/sh)ould switch to GAL still won't notice that in
> KiCad 5. A first-run dialog would be a good idea IMO.
>
> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 02:53:50AM +0000, Jon Evans wrote:
> > I know this would be work for someone to do and maybe I'd offer to do it
> if
> > the project leaders approve...
> > What about a one-time pop-up when first installing a release 5.0 that
> > appears if the config says the user was using legacy canvas, telling them
> > about how to switch and that they should check it out?
> >
> > -Jon
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 8:16 PM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I don't have any issues with this but it will only apply to new
> > > installs.  Existing installs will have the last canvas selected in the
> > > user's kicad config.
> > >
> > > On 12/30/2017 04:36 PM, Kristoffer Ödmark wrote:
> > > > The power of defaults ;)
> > > >
> > > > This is also something I have encountered has turned a lot of users
> > > > away, because when they try it, they dont really like the setup. So
> even
> > > > if they can change it, they give up before they realize they can.
> > > >
> > > > -Kristoffer
> > > >
> > > > On 12/30/2017 10:30 PM, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> > > >> On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 09:27:46PM +0000, Jeff Young wrote:
> > > >>> +1.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> (I used legacy for 6 months because I thought the only difference
> was
> > > >>> in rendering.  I didn’t realise all the tools were different too….)
> > > >>
> > > >> I hear this a _lot_ from beginners. We're shipping so many cool new
> > > >> features that a surprising number of people don't know exist
> because we
> > > >> hide them.
> > > >>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Cheers,
> > > >>> Jeff.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> On 30 Dec 2017, at 21:13, Chris Pavlina <pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > >>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Pleeeeeeease!
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> It makes no sense to use a canvas we call "legacy" as default.
> GAL may
> > > >>>> still not have 100% feature parity to allow _removing_ legacy but
> it's
> > > >>>> totally ready to be the default.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 08:51:53PM +0000, José Ignacio wrote:
> > > >>>>> Since the GAL is pretty much feature complete (I have used it
> > > >>>>> exclusively
> > > >>>>> for the last year and a half) and the Cairo canvas has much
> improved
> > > >>>>> performance (it is *significantly* faster than legacy on my
> systems),
> > > >>>>> should pcbnew make the switch to have Cairo as the default
> canvas?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> I understand OpenGL may still be undesirable because some
> defective
> > > or
> > > >>>>> misconfigured systems may have crashing issues with kicad
> > > >>>>> preventing the
> > > >>>>> user to switch away from OpenGL, but that may even not be the
> case
> > > >>>>> anymore.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
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