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[Chris Pavlina <pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 03:40:00AM +0000, Jon Evans wrote:
> Chris, I thought your kicad-ogltest was going to make it so we could use
> OpenGL by default and then automatically fall back to Cairo if there was a
> problem -- what ended up happening with that, is there a technical problem
> or is it just not there yet?

Life happened, I haven't really had much time to work on KiCad at _all_
since I started working on that. I was going to basically completely fix
all this way better than we can do in the next month or so, but it was a
lot of work and it never got done. :/

> 
> I'll make a first-run dialog if Wayne approves the idea -- it could be a
> handy tool to use for future releases too -- we could store in the user
> settings the last version that the first-run dialog was shown for, and
> potentially load new first-run content in the future.
> 
> -Jon
> 
> On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 10:30 PM, Chris Pavlina <pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> 
> > I like this. If you don't offer, everyone who's already used KiCad 4 and
> > didn't realize they (c/sh)ould switch to GAL still won't notice that in
> > KiCad 5. A first-run dialog would be a good idea IMO.
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 02:53:50AM +0000, Jon Evans wrote:
> > > I know this would be work for someone to do and maybe I'd offer to do it
> > if
> > > the project leaders approve...
> > > What about a one-time pop-up when first installing a release 5.0 that
> > > appears if the config says the user was using legacy canvas, telling them
> > > about how to switch and that they should check it out?
> > >
> > > -Jon
> > >
> > > On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 8:16 PM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I don't have any issues with this but it will only apply to new
> > > > installs.  Existing installs will have the last canvas selected in the
> > > > user's kicad config.
> > > >
> > > > On 12/30/2017 04:36 PM, Kristoffer Ödmark wrote:
> > > > > The power of defaults ;)
> > > > >
> > > > > This is also something I have encountered has turned a lot of users
> > > > > away, because when they try it, they dont really like the setup. So
> > even
> > > > > if they can change it, they give up before they realize they can.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Kristoffer
> > > > >
> > > > > On 12/30/2017 10:30 PM, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> > > > >> On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 09:27:46PM +0000, Jeff Young wrote:
> > > > >>> +1.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> (I used legacy for 6 months because I thought the only difference
> > was
> > > > >>> in rendering.  I didn’t realise all the tools were different too….)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I hear this a _lot_ from beginners. We're shipping so many cool new
> > > > >> features that a surprising number of people don't know exist
> > because we
> > > > >> hide them.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Cheers,
> > > > >>> Jeff.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> On 30 Dec 2017, at 21:13, Chris Pavlina <pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Pleeeeeeease!
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> It makes no sense to use a canvas we call "legacy" as default.
> > GAL may
> > > > >>>> still not have 100% feature parity to allow _removing_ legacy but
> > it's
> > > > >>>> totally ready to be the default.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 08:51:53PM +0000, José Ignacio wrote:
> > > > >>>>> Since the GAL is pretty much feature complete (I have used it
> > > > >>>>> exclusively
> > > > >>>>> for the last year and a half) and the Cairo canvas has much
> > improved
> > > > >>>>> performance (it is *significantly* faster than legacy on my
> > systems),
> > > > >>>>> should pcbnew make the switch to have Cairo as the default
> > canvas?
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> I understand OpenGL may still be undesirable because some
> > defective
> > > > or
> > > > >>>>> misconfigured systems may have crashing issues with kicad
> > > > >>>>> preventing the
> > > > >>>>> user to switch away from OpenGL, but that may even not be the
> > case
> > > > >>>>> anymore.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
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