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[Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>]

Looks good to me.

On 12/31/2017 12:04 PM, Jon Evans wrote:
> How about something like this?
> 
> Inline image 1
> 
> (N.B. I agree with Andy, and think we could consider renaming the
> options in the View menu to "Legacy", "Accelerated (OpenGL)" and
> "Standard (Cairo)" or something like that)
> 
> -Jon
> 
> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Andy Peters <devel@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> 
> 
>>     On Dec 31, 2017, at 6:49 AM, Simon Wells <swel024@xxxxxxxxx
>>     <mailto:swel024@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>
>>     What about having the default set to cairo, and when the
>>     first/once run dialog runs it talks about openGL (this goes
>>     against you already set to GAL) but it allows a default that even
>>     if it crashes won’t require manually editing a configuration to
>>     make it workable
> 
>     User perspective:
> 
>     The names for the canvases are “engineering terms,” that is,
>     something named by the developers for their own internal use but
>     were never renamed for the end user who might have no idea what is
>     meant by “Cairo canvas” or what “GAL” stands for. I say that because
>     early on I asked myself, “WTF is this ‘Cairo’ thing?”
> 
>     I now understand (I think …) that Cairo and GAL implement the same
>     features but the latter requires proper OpenGL hardware and drivers,
>     and Cairo does not.
> 
>     So perhaps better terms for these options is “Standard” and
>     “Accelerated (OpenGL).” Users know what OpenGL means (I hope, it’s
>     nothing new). As for why a user with access to OpenGL hardware would
>     not choose to use it by default? Battery life on a laptop, I
>     suppose, but in using Kicad for a few years now I can say I’ve never
>     used the Cairo canvas at all.
> 
>     -a
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>     Simon
>>
>>>     On 1/01/2018, at 2:48 AM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
>>>     <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     I spite of my disdain for nagware, I'll tolerate this under the
>>>     following conditions:
>>>
>>>     The current canvas is not already on one of the gal canvases.  If the
>>>     user is already using a gal canvas, a dialog to inform the user about
>>>     the gal canvas is silly.
>>>
>>>     It's a one shot dialog that never appears again.
>>>
>>>     If the gal canvas crashes, the user isn't going to have to
>>>     manually edit
>>>     a configuration file to restore the legacy canvas.  This
>>>     requirement may
>>>     prevent us from setting the opengl canvas as the default so the
>>>     solution
>>>     may not be as easy as it seems.
>>>
>>>     On 12/31/2017 07:34 AM, Jeff Young wrote:
>>>>     +1 to the startup dialog idea.
>>>>
>>>>     I think we also need to set reasonable transparencies in the
>>>>     layers so that it looks more like the default legacy canvas.
>>>
>>>     I don' think this is necessary given that the gal canvas layer colors
>>>     and transparencies are completely user configurable but I'm not
>>>     opposed
>>>     to a default layer color/transparency configuration that looks
>>>     more like
>>>     the legacy canvas.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>     On 31 Dec 2017, at 10:09, Clemens Koller <cko@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>     <mailto:cko@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>     On 2017-12-31 03:53, Jon Evans wrote:
>>>>>>     I know this would be work for someone to do and maybe I'd
>>>>>>     offer to do it if the project leaders approve...
>>>>>>     What about a one-time pop-up when first installing a release
>>>>>>     5.0 that appears if the config says the user was using legacy
>>>>>>     canvas, telling them about how to switch and that they should
>>>>>>     check it out?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     -Jon
>>>>>
>>>>>     +1
>>>>>     An initial start-up dialog to setup the "users default" after a
>>>>>     first install or after a "reset Kicad to defaults, as I messed
>>>>>     something up I don't remember" seems very helpful to me. If
>>>>>     OpenGL might still crash in rare cases, warn the user in
>>>>>     advance and explain, how he can safely step back from using
>>>>>     OpenGL in case it doesn't work and how to file a bug report...
>>>>>
>>>>>     Regards,
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