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[Jon Evans <cdawzrd@xxxxxxxxx>]

How about "Modern" instead of GAL for user-facing stuff?

"Legacy"
"Modern (Accelerated)"
"Modern (Fallback)"

On Dec 31, 2017 12:38, "Nick Østergaard" <oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I don't think the term standard for Cairo is good. It is better to call it
> fallback or faillsafe.
>
> Calling it standard gives the impression that this is what they should
> choose, but really we want them to select OpenGL.
>
> Den 31. dec. 2017 18.12 <20%2017%2018%2012> skrev "Wayne Stambaugh" <
> stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>:
>
>> Looks good to me.
>>
>> On 12/31/2017 12:04 PM, Jon Evans wrote:
>> > How about something like this?
>> >
>> > Inline image 1
>> >
>> > (N.B. I agree with Andy, and think we could consider renaming the
>> > options in the View menu to "Legacy", "Accelerated (OpenGL)" and
>> > "Standard (Cairo)" or something like that)
>> >
>> > -Jon
>> >
>> > On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Andy Peters <devel@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>     On Dec 31, 2017, at 6:49 AM, Simon Wells <swel024@xxxxxxxxx
>> >>     <mailto:swel024@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>     What about having the default set to cairo, and when the
>> >>     first/once run dialog runs it talks about openGL (this goes
>> >>     against you already set to GAL) but it allows a default that even
>> >>     if it crashes won’t require manually editing a configuration to
>> >>     make it workable
>> >
>> >     User perspective:
>> >
>> >     The names for the canvases are “engineering terms,” that is,
>> >     something named by the developers for their own internal use but
>> >     were never renamed for the end user who might have no idea what is
>> >     meant by “Cairo canvas” or what “GAL” stands for. I say that because
>> >     early on I asked myself, “WTF is this ‘Cairo’ thing?”
>> >
>> >     I now understand (I think …) that Cairo and GAL implement the same
>> >     features but the latter requires proper OpenGL hardware and drivers,
>> >     and Cairo does not.
>> >
>> >     So perhaps better terms for these options is “Standard” and
>> >     “Accelerated (OpenGL).” Users know what OpenGL means (I hope, it’s
>> >     nothing new). As for why a user with access to OpenGL hardware would
>> >     not choose to use it by default? Battery life on a laptop, I
>> >     suppose, but in using Kicad for a few years now I can say I’ve never
>> >     used the Cairo canvas at all.
>> >
>> >     -a
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>     Simon
>> >>
>> >>>     On 1/01/2018, at 2:48 AM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
>> >>>     <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>     I spite of my disdain for nagware, I'll tolerate this under the
>> >>>     following conditions:
>> >>>
>> >>>     The current canvas is not already on one of the gal canvases.  If
>> the
>> >>>     user is already using a gal canvas, a dialog to inform the user
>> about
>> >>>     the gal canvas is silly.
>> >>>
>> >>>     It's a one shot dialog that never appears again.
>> >>>
>> >>>     If the gal canvas crashes, the user isn't going to have to
>> >>>     manually edit
>> >>>     a configuration file to restore the legacy canvas.  This
>> >>>     requirement may
>> >>>     prevent us from setting the opengl canvas as the default so the
>> >>>     solution
>> >>>     may not be as easy as it seems.
>> >>>
>> >>>     On 12/31/2017 07:34 AM, Jeff Young wrote:
>> >>>>     +1 to the startup dialog idea.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>     I think we also need to set reasonable transparencies in the
>> >>>>     layers so that it looks more like the default legacy canvas.
>> >>>
>> >>>     I don' think this is necessary given that the gal canvas layer
>> colors
>> >>>     and transparencies are completely user configurable but I'm not
>> >>>     opposed
>> >>>     to a default layer color/transparency configuration that looks
>> >>>     more like
>> >>>     the legacy canvas.
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>     On 31 Dec 2017, at 10:09, Clemens Koller <cko@xxxxxxxxx
>> >>>>>     <mailto:cko@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>     On 2017-12-31 03:53, Jon Evans wrote:
>> >>>>>>     I know this would be work for someone to do and maybe I'd
>> >>>>>>     offer to do it if the project leaders approve...
>> >>>>>>     What about a one-time pop-up when first installing a release
>> >>>>>>     5.0 that appears if the config says the user was using legacy
>> >>>>>>     canvas, telling them about how to switch and that they should
>> >>>>>>     check it out?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>     -Jon
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>     +1
>> >>>>>     An initial start-up dialog to setup the "users default" after a
>> >>>>>     first install or after a "reset Kicad to defaults, as I messed
>> >>>>>     something up I don't remember" seems very helpful to me. If
>> >>>>>     OpenGL might still crash in rare cases, warn the user in
>> >>>>>     advance and explain, how he can safely step back from using
>> >>>>>     OpenGL in case it doesn't work and how to file a bug report...
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>     Regards,
>> >
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