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[Chris Pavlina <pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 02:20:10PM -0500, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
> It's exactly as insane as the cache has always been.

I respectfully disagree. As I recall from many years of using KiCad
before this, nothing about the cache has ever spontaneously deleted all
libraries without warning. That's a whole new level of insanity that
deserves its own "what not to do" section in a UX book somewhere. (And
before you think this is all just "this UX guide sez" vague complaining,
don't forget that I and many others still have _no idea wtf we're doing_
trying to drive this thing.)

> The only way I can
> think of this happening is that the schematic was not saved after the
> remapping and once all of the libraries are removed from the project
> file but cache should still be valid if no save was performed.  Let me
> try remapping this project and I will get back to you.
> 
> On 1/2/2018 2:08 PM, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> > Ah, that explains my question mark case. That's insane.
> > 
> > On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 01:08:11PM -0600, José Ignacio wrote:
> >> One big problem is that even if everything fails, the project will show up
> >> fine with all symbols, but they wont have the remap done. at the same time
> >> the remapper deletes all library entries from the project file, which
> >> causes it to open with question marks only if you reopen it again after
> >> saving. It should show the question marks before then or make better use of
> >> the cache.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 12:44 PM, Chris Pavlina <pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Keep in mind my problem is not necessarily that things are _broken_ but
> >>> perhaps that they are so opaque that they only make sense in the mind of
> >>> the designer. As I said in the previous message, we've been getting TONS
> >>> of people on IRC who can't figure out how the hell to drive this thing,
> >>> and I count myself among them. Still takes me like three tries to load
> >>> an old project without it stuffing everything up.
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 01:40:40PM -0500, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
> >>>> Please send me a sample project if possible.  I have tested this every
> >>>> which way I can think of and it works fine for everything I throw at it.
> >>>>  The only time things fall apart are when the cache is corrupted or
> >>>> missing and/or rescues have be ignored.  In those cases there is nothing
> >>>> I can do because the proper symbols do not exist anywhere so remapping
> >>>> is not possible.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 1/2/2018 1:33 PM, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> >>>>> Are we really going to do an RC now without any more work to the remap
> >>>>> stuff? I just had it ruin another project last night. It behaves very
> >>>>> poorly when things also have to be rescued or libraries are missing, it
> >>>>> seems.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 09:10:20AM -0500, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
> >>>>>> On 1/2/2018 8:58 AM, Tomasz Wlostowski wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 28/12/17 20:24, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
> >>>>>>>> There are a few outstanding crash bugs that need to be fixed before
> >>> we
> >>>>>>>> can consider branching the stable 5 release.  Here is the list of
> >>>>>>>> unresolved crash bugs that effect the development branch:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1562788
> >>>>>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1732274
> >>>>>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1738872
> >>>>>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1738999
> >>>>>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1739614
> >>>>>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1740253
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hey Wayne,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I fixed the remaining 2 bugs yesterday (the STEP import one is a bug
> >>> in
> >>>>>>> OCE). Please proceed with the 5.0-rc.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Tom
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Tom,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks!.  I wont have time to get to this until the weekend.  If there
> >>>>>> are no additional critical severity bug reports by then, I will create
> >>>>>> the version 5 branch.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Wayne
> >>>>>>
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