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[Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>]

I just tested this repo and it failed to remap every symbol so either
something has been broken or this project is a corner case that I
haven't stumbled across yet.  I will keep informed of my progress.  In
the future, please file bug report when you see something like this.  If
you just discuss it on irc, I have no way of knowing this is an issue
unless I manage to free up some time (unlikely any time soon) to spend
on irc.

On 1/2/2018 2:42 PM, José Ignacio wrote:
> This sequence of actions is what puts the project on a stuffed up state:
> 
> * Open schematic and be greeted with some symbols that need rescue,
> rescue a couple symbols
> * Be greeted by the remap dialog (1)
> * Regret remapping and quit without save
> * Open schematic again
> * Be greeted by the rescue dialog, with ALL symbols, refuse
> * Remap dialog fails to find anything, click through (2)
> 
> Schematic looks fine, but the remap and rescue dialogs will show up
> every time even though there is a valid sym-lib-table.
> 
> (1) At this point the pro file is overwritten, deleting all project
> library entries
> (2) At this point the pro file is overwritten again!, clobbering the
> backup (SOL)
> 
> If you accept the second rescue you will have to map everything
> manually. The remapper should really take the existing sym-lib-table or
> just not clobber the pro file until the schematic is saved.
> 
> The close without save step should be perfectly valid if you're just
> peeking at an old project and (possibly much later) you want to go
> modify it you're greeted with that bad surprise.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 1:28 PM, Chris Pavlina <pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> 
>     On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 02:20:10PM -0500, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
>     > It's exactly as insane as the cache has always been.
> 
>     I respectfully disagree. As I recall from many years of using KiCad
>     before this, nothing about the cache has ever spontaneously deleted all
>     libraries without warning. That's a whole new level of insanity that
>     deserves its own "what not to do" section in a UX book somewhere. (And
>     before you think this is all just "this UX guide sez" vague complaining,
>     don't forget that I and many others still have _no idea wtf we're doing_
>     trying to drive this thing.)
> 
>     > The only way I can
>     > think of this happening is that the schematic was not saved after the
>     > remapping and once all of the libraries are removed from the project
>     > file but cache should still be valid if no save was performed.  Let me
>     > try remapping this project and I will get back to you.
>     >
>     > On 1/2/2018 2:08 PM, Chris Pavlina wrote:
>     > > Ah, that explains my question mark case. That's insane.
>     > >
>     > > On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 01:08:11PM -0600, José Ignacio wrote:
>     > >> One big problem is that even if everything fails, the project
>     will show up
>     > >> fine with all symbols, but they wont have the remap done. at
>     the same time
>     > >> the remapper deletes all library entries from the project file,
>     which
>     > >> causes it to open with question marks only if you reopen it
>     again after
>     > >> saving. It should show the question marks before then or make
>     better use of
>     > >> the cache.
>     > >>
>     > >> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 12:44 PM, Chris Pavlina
>     <pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx>>
>     > >> wrote:
>     > >>
>     > >>> Keep in mind my problem is not necessarily that things are
>     _broken_ but
>     > >>> perhaps that they are so opaque that they only make sense in
>     the mind of
>     > >>> the designer. As I said in the previous message, we've been
>     getting TONS
>     > >>> of people on IRC who can't figure out how the hell to drive
>     this thing,
>     > >>> and I count myself among them. Still takes me like three tries
>     to load
>     > >>> an old project without it stuffing everything up.
>     > >>>
>     > >>> On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 01:40:40PM -0500, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
>     > >>>> Please send me a sample project if possible.  I have tested
>     this every
>     > >>>> which way I can think of and it works fine for everything I
>     throw at it.
>     > >>>>  The only time things fall apart are when the cache is
>     corrupted or
>     > >>>> missing and/or rescues have be ignored.  In those cases there
>     is nothing
>     > >>>> I can do because the proper symbols do not exist anywhere so
>     remapping
>     > >>>> is not possible.
>     > >>>>
>     > >>>> On 1/2/2018 1:33 PM, Chris Pavlina wrote:
>     > >>>>> Are we really going to do an RC now without any more work to
>     the remap
>     > >>>>> stuff? I just had it ruin another project last night. It
>     behaves very
>     > >>>>> poorly when things also have to be rescued or libraries are
>     missing, it
>     > >>>>> seems.
>     > >>>>>
>     > >>>>> On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 09:10:20AM -0500, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
>     > >>>>>> On 1/2/2018 8:58 AM, Tomasz Wlostowski wrote:
>     > >>>>>>> On 28/12/17 20:24, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
>     > >>>>>>>> There are a few outstanding crash bugs that need to be
>     fixed before
>     > >>> we
>     > >>>>>>>> can consider branching the stable 5 release.  Here is the
>     list of
>     > >>>>>>>> unresolved crash bugs that effect the development branch:
>     > >>>>>>>>
>     > >>>>>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1562788
>     <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1562788>
>     > >>>>>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1732274
>     <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1732274>
>     > >>>>>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1738872
>     <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1738872>
>     > >>>>>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1738999
>     <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1738999>
>     > >>>>>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1739614
>     <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1739614>
>     > >>>>>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1740253
>     <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1740253>
>     > >>>>>>>
>     > >>>>>>> Hey Wayne,
>     > >>>>>>>
>     > >>>>>>> I fixed the remaining 2 bugs yesterday (the STEP import
>     one is a bug
>     > >>> in
>     > >>>>>>> OCE). Please proceed with the 5.0-rc.
>     > >>>>>>>
>     > >>>>>>> Tom
>     > >>>>>>>
>     > >>>>>>
>     > >>>>>> Hi Tom,
>     > >>>>>>
>     > >>>>>> Thanks!.  I wont have time to get to this until the
>     weekend.  If there
>     > >>>>>> are no additional critical severity bug reports by then, I
>     will create
>     > >>>>>> the version 5 branch.
>     > >>>>>>
>     > >>>>>> Cheers,
>     > >>>>>>
>     > >>>>>> Wayne
>     > >>>>>>
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