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[Chris Pavlina <pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx>]

Honestly, with this symbol library stuff it's been hard for me to figure
out what's a bug and what's a confusing design decision. Bug reports for
the latter are rather frowned upon so I've been refraining from filing
many bugs.

On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 02:51:14PM -0500, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
> I just tested this repo and it failed to remap every symbol so either
> something has been broken or this project is a corner case that I
> haven't stumbled across yet.  I will keep informed of my progress.  In
> the future, please file bug report when you see something like this.  If
> you just discuss it on irc, I have no way of knowing this is an issue
> unless I manage to free up some time (unlikely any time soon) to spend
> on irc.
> 
> On 1/2/2018 2:42 PM, José Ignacio wrote:
> > This sequence of actions is what puts the project on a stuffed up state:
> > 
> > * Open schematic and be greeted with some symbols that need rescue,
> > rescue a couple symbols
> > * Be greeted by the remap dialog (1)
> > * Regret remapping and quit without save
> > * Open schematic again
> > * Be greeted by the rescue dialog, with ALL symbols, refuse
> > * Remap dialog fails to find anything, click through (2)
> > 
> > Schematic looks fine, but the remap and rescue dialogs will show up
> > every time even though there is a valid sym-lib-table.
> > 
> > (1) At this point the pro file is overwritten, deleting all project
> > library entries
> > (2) At this point the pro file is overwritten again!, clobbering the
> > backup (SOL)
> > 
> > If you accept the second rescue you will have to map everything
> > manually. The remapper should really take the existing sym-lib-table or
> > just not clobber the pro file until the schematic is saved.
> > 
> > The close without save step should be perfectly valid if you're just
> > peeking at an old project and (possibly much later) you want to go
> > modify it you're greeted with that bad surprise.
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 1:28 PM, Chris Pavlina <pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> > 
> >     On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 02:20:10PM -0500, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
> >     > It's exactly as insane as the cache has always been.
> > 
> >     I respectfully disagree. As I recall from many years of using KiCad
> >     before this, nothing about the cache has ever spontaneously deleted all
> >     libraries without warning. That's a whole new level of insanity that
> >     deserves its own "what not to do" section in a UX book somewhere. (And
> >     before you think this is all just "this UX guide sez" vague complaining,
> >     don't forget that I and many others still have _no idea wtf we're doing_
> >     trying to drive this thing.)
> > 
> >     > The only way I can
> >     > think of this happening is that the schematic was not saved after the
> >     > remapping and once all of the libraries are removed from the project
> >     > file but cache should still be valid if no save was performed.  Let me
> >     > try remapping this project and I will get back to you.
> >     >
> >     > On 1/2/2018 2:08 PM, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> >     > > Ah, that explains my question mark case. That's insane.
> >     > >
> >     > > On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 01:08:11PM -0600, José Ignacio wrote:
> >     > >> One big problem is that even if everything fails, the project
> >     will show up
> >     > >> fine with all symbols, but they wont have the remap done. at
> >     the same time
> >     > >> the remapper deletes all library entries from the project file,
> >     which
> >     > >> causes it to open with question marks only if you reopen it
> >     again after
> >     > >> saving. It should show the question marks before then or make
> >     better use of
> >     > >> the cache.
> >     > >>
> >     > >> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 12:44 PM, Chris Pavlina
> >     <pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >     > >> wrote:
> >     > >>
> >     > >>> Keep in mind my problem is not necessarily that things are
> >     _broken_ but
> >     > >>> perhaps that they are so opaque that they only make sense in
> >     the mind of
> >     > >>> the designer. As I said in the previous message, we've been
> >     getting TONS
> >     > >>> of people on IRC who can't figure out how the hell to drive
> >     this thing,
> >     > >>> and I count myself among them. Still takes me like three tries
> >     to load
> >     > >>> an old project without it stuffing everything up.
> >     > >>>
> >     > >>> On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 01:40:40PM -0500, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
> >     > >>>> Please send me a sample project if possible.  I have tested
> >     this every
> >     > >>>> which way I can think of and it works fine for everything I
> >     throw at it.
> >     > >>>>  The only time things fall apart are when the cache is
> >     corrupted or
> >     > >>>> missing and/or rescues have be ignored.  In those cases there
> >     is nothing
> >     > >>>> I can do because the proper symbols do not exist anywhere so
> >     remapping
> >     > >>>> is not possible.
> >     > >>>>
> >     > >>>> On 1/2/2018 1:33 PM, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> >     > >>>>> Are we really going to do an RC now without any more work to
> >     the remap
> >     > >>>>> stuff? I just had it ruin another project last night. It
> >     behaves very
> >     > >>>>> poorly when things also have to be rescued or libraries are
> >     missing, it
> >     > >>>>> seems.
> >     > >>>>>
> >     > >>>>> On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 09:10:20AM -0500, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
> >     > >>>>>> On 1/2/2018 8:58 AM, Tomasz Wlostowski wrote:
> >     > >>>>>>> On 28/12/17 20:24, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
> >     > >>>>>>>> There are a few outstanding crash bugs that need to be
> >     fixed before
> >     > >>> we
> >     > >>>>>>>> can consider branching the stable 5 release.  Here is the
> >     list of
> >     > >>>>>>>> unresolved crash bugs that effect the development branch:
> >     > >>>>>>>>
> >     > >>>>>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1562788
> >     <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1562788>
> >     > >>>>>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1732274
> >     <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1732274>
> >     > >>>>>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1738872
> >     <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1738872>
> >     > >>>>>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1738999
> >     <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1738999>
> >     > >>>>>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1739614
> >     <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1739614>
> >     > >>>>>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1740253
> >     <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1740253>
> >     > >>>>>>>
> >     > >>>>>>> Hey Wayne,
> >     > >>>>>>>
> >     > >>>>>>> I fixed the remaining 2 bugs yesterday (the STEP import
> >     one is a bug
> >     > >>> in
> >     > >>>>>>> OCE). Please proceed with the 5.0-rc.
> >     > >>>>>>>
> >     > >>>>>>> Tom
> >     > >>>>>>>
> >     > >>>>>>
> >     > >>>>>> Hi Tom,
> >     > >>>>>>
> >     > >>>>>> Thanks!.  I wont have time to get to this until the
> >     weekend.  If there
> >     > >>>>>> are no additional critical severity bug reports by then, I
> >     will create
> >     > >>>>>> the version 5 branch.
> >     > >>>>>>
> >     > >>>>>> Cheers,
> >     > >>>>>>
> >     > >>>>>> Wayne
> >     > >>>>>>
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