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[Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>]

Let's start at the beginning.  Are you clear on why symbols need to be
remapped?

On 1/2/2018 2:52 PM, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> Honestly, with this symbol library stuff it's been hard for me to figure
> out what's a bug and what's a confusing design decision. Bug reports for
> the latter are rather frowned upon so I've been refraining from filing
> many bugs.
> 
> On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 02:51:14PM -0500, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
>> I just tested this repo and it failed to remap every symbol so either
>> something has been broken or this project is a corner case that I
>> haven't stumbled across yet.  I will keep informed of my progress.  In
>> the future, please file bug report when you see something like this.  If
>> you just discuss it on irc, I have no way of knowing this is an issue
>> unless I manage to free up some time (unlikely any time soon) to spend
>> on irc.
>>
>> On 1/2/2018 2:42 PM, José Ignacio wrote:
>>> This sequence of actions is what puts the project on a stuffed up state:
>>>
>>> * Open schematic and be greeted with some symbols that need rescue,
>>> rescue a couple symbols
>>> * Be greeted by the remap dialog (1)
>>> * Regret remapping and quit without save
>>> * Open schematic again
>>> * Be greeted by the rescue dialog, with ALL symbols, refuse
>>> * Remap dialog fails to find anything, click through (2)
>>>
>>> Schematic looks fine, but the remap and rescue dialogs will show up
>>> every time even though there is a valid sym-lib-table.
>>>
>>> (1) At this point the pro file is overwritten, deleting all project
>>> library entries
>>> (2) At this point the pro file is overwritten again!, clobbering the
>>> backup (SOL)
>>>
>>> If you accept the second rescue you will have to map everything
>>> manually. The remapper should really take the existing sym-lib-table or
>>> just not clobber the pro file until the schematic is saved.
>>>
>>> The close without save step should be perfectly valid if you're just
>>> peeking at an old project and (possibly much later) you want to go
>>> modify it you're greeted with that bad surprise.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 1:28 PM, Chris Pavlina <pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx
>>> <mailto:pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 02:20:10PM -0500, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
>>>     > It's exactly as insane as the cache has always been.
>>>
>>>     I respectfully disagree. As I recall from many years of using KiCad
>>>     before this, nothing about the cache has ever spontaneously deleted all
>>>     libraries without warning. That's a whole new level of insanity that
>>>     deserves its own "what not to do" section in a UX book somewhere. (And
>>>     before you think this is all just "this UX guide sez" vague complaining,
>>>     don't forget that I and many others still have _no idea wtf we're doing_
>>>     trying to drive this thing.)
>>>
>>>     > The only way I can
>>>     > think of this happening is that the schematic was not saved after the
>>>     > remapping and once all of the libraries are removed from the project
>>>     > file but cache should still be valid if no save was performed.  Let me
>>>     > try remapping this project and I will get back to you.
>>>     >
>>>     > On 1/2/2018 2:08 PM, Chris Pavlina wrote:
>>>     > > Ah, that explains my question mark case. That's insane.
>>>     > >
>>>     > > On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 01:08:11PM -0600, José Ignacio wrote:
>>>     > >> One big problem is that even if everything fails, the project
>>>     will show up
>>>     > >> fine with all symbols, but they wont have the remap done. at
>>>     the same time
>>>     > >> the remapper deletes all library entries from the project file,
>>>     which
>>>     > >> causes it to open with question marks only if you reopen it
>>>     again after
>>>     > >> saving. It should show the question marks before then or make
>>>     better use of
>>>     > >> the cache.
>>>     > >>
>>>     > >> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 12:44 PM, Chris Pavlina
>>>     <pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>     > >> wrote:
>>>     > >>
>>>     > >>> Keep in mind my problem is not necessarily that things are
>>>     _broken_ but
>>>     > >>> perhaps that they are so opaque that they only make sense in
>>>     the mind of
>>>     > >>> the designer. As I said in the previous message, we've been
>>>     getting TONS
>>>     > >>> of people on IRC who can't figure out how the hell to drive
>>>     this thing,
>>>     > >>> and I count myself among them. Still takes me like three tries
>>>     to load
>>>     > >>> an old project without it stuffing everything up.
>>>     > >>>
>>>     > >>> On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 01:40:40PM -0500, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
>>>     > >>>> Please send me a sample project if possible.  I have tested
>>>     this every
>>>     > >>>> which way I can think of and it works fine for everything I
>>>     throw at it.
>>>     > >>>>  The only time things fall apart are when the cache is
>>>     corrupted or
>>>     > >>>> missing and/or rescues have be ignored.  In those cases there
>>>     is nothing
>>>     > >>>> I can do because the proper symbols do not exist anywhere so
>>>     remapping
>>>     > >>>> is not possible.
>>>     > >>>>
>>>     > >>>> On 1/2/2018 1:33 PM, Chris Pavlina wrote:
>>>     > >>>>> Are we really going to do an RC now without any more work to
>>>     the remap
>>>     > >>>>> stuff? I just had it ruin another project last night. It
>>>     behaves very
>>>     > >>>>> poorly when things also have to be rescued or libraries are
>>>     missing, it
>>>     > >>>>> seems.
>>>     > >>>>>
>>>     > >>>>> On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 09:10:20AM -0500, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
>>>     > >>>>>> On 1/2/2018 8:58 AM, Tomasz Wlostowski wrote:
>>>     > >>>>>>> On 28/12/17 20:24, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
>>>     > >>>>>>>> There are a few outstanding crash bugs that need to be
>>>     fixed before
>>>     > >>> we
>>>     > >>>>>>>> can consider branching the stable 5 release.  Here is the
>>>     list of
>>>     > >>>>>>>> unresolved crash bugs that effect the development branch:
>>>     > >>>>>>>>
>>>     > >>>>>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1562788
>>>     <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1562788>
>>>     > >>>>>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1732274
>>>     <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1732274>
>>>     > >>>>>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1738872
>>>     <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1738872>
>>>     > >>>>>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1738999
>>>     <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1738999>
>>>     > >>>>>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1739614
>>>     <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1739614>
>>>     > >>>>>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1740253
>>>     <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1740253>
>>>     > >>>>>>>
>>>     > >>>>>>> Hey Wayne,
>>>     > >>>>>>>
>>>     > >>>>>>> I fixed the remaining 2 bugs yesterday (the STEP import
>>>     one is a bug
>>>     > >>> in
>>>     > >>>>>>> OCE). Please proceed with the 5.0-rc.
>>>     > >>>>>>>
>>>     > >>>>>>> Tom
>>>     > >>>>>>>
>>>     > >>>>>>
>>>     > >>>>>> Hi Tom,
>>>     > >>>>>>
>>>     > >>>>>> Thanks!.  I wont have time to get to this until the
>>>     weekend.  If there
>>>     > >>>>>> are no additional critical severity bug reports by then, I
>>>     will create
>>>     > >>>>>> the version 5 branch.
>>>     > >>>>>>
>>>     > >>>>>> Cheers,
>>>     > >>>>>>
>>>     > >>>>>> Wayne
>>>     > >>>>>>
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