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[Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>]

On 01/04/2018 11:39 AM, André S. wrote:
> Am 2018-01-04 um 17:27 schrieb Wayne Stambaugh:
>> This behavior was considered a bug not to mention confusing.  If a layer
>> is turned off, turning on objects in that layer doesn't make any sense.
>> The new (corrected) behavior is far more logical.
> This is how I interpreted it after some time. :)
> However, historically I did not even know that Values are tied to the
> Fab layer and References to SilkS because they could be enabled/disabled
> independently.
> 
> Thanks for the information. Sorry for the confusion.
> 
> Sadly I now have to live with the Fab symbols always visible when I want
> to see the Values of the footprint. Same with Reference and SilkS.
> I like to see only that information that I currently really need. Helps
> to spot errors more easily when less "noise" is on the screen.
> Will it be possible to solve this via Python shell/scripting? Then this
> would be one path for me so solve this. Did not need it until now.

It should be possible to turn any thing on/off using Python.

> 
> Thanks again for your patience. :)
> 
>   André
> 
>> On 01/04/2018 10:55 AM, Nick Østergaard wrote:
>>> OK, but the legacy behavior in 4.0.7 was considered a bug. I think there
>>> is a launchpad bug for that. The current behavior is how it is intended
>>> to work as I understand it :)
>>>
>>> 2018-01-04 15:16 GMT+01:00 André S. <list.dev.kicad@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> <mailto:list.dev.kicad@xxxxxxxxxxxx>>:
>>>
>>>      Hi Nick,
>>>
>>>      I try to detail it again and hope I can make clear what I mean:
>>>      - currently you can in 4.0.7 Legacy canvas
>>>        * toggle the Value and Reference option in Visibility:Elements.
>>>        When you do that:
>>>        * Value/Reference are displayed or hidden according to the status
>>>      of the Element control.
>>>        The state of the _Layer option_ F.SilkS/B.SilkS and F.Fab/B.Fab
>>>      have _no influence_ on the visibility of Value/Reference.
>>>
>>>      - when you switch to OpenGL or Cairo Value/Reference _disappear_ on
>>>      the PCB when F.SilkS/B.SilkS and F.Fab/B.Fab are _unset_ in the
>>>      Layer options regardless that Value/Reference option are set in
>>>      Elements.
>>>      Value/Reference are in OpenGL/Cairo only _displayed_ when
>>>      *.SilkS/*.Fab are _set_ *and* the Element control for
>>>      Value/Reference are set.
>>>
>>>      This is independent from the actual PCB project. (I tried it on
>>>      three different projects)
>>>      In the current Nightly all canvases act the same as OpenGL/Cairo in
>>>      4.0.7. (Legacy in 4.0.7 behaves differently as Legacy in Nightly.)
>>>
>>>      I hope this made it clearer.
>>>
>>>        André
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      Am 2018-01-04 <tel:20%2018%2001%2004> um 14:18 schrieb Nick
>>> Østergaard:
>>>>      2018-01-04 <tel:20%2018%2001%2004> 9:55 GMT+01:00 André S.
>>>>      <list.dev.kicad@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> <mailto:list.dev.kicad@xxxxxxxxxxxx>>:
>>>>
>>>>          Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>>          I discovered some not consistent behaviour in the current
>>>>          stable release:
>>>>          On the Legacy canvas you can display Value of the footprint by
>>>>          enabling Value option under Elements in the Visibility menu.
>>>>          This is not true for OpenGL and Cairo canvas.
>>>>          In the Nightly from 2018-01-02 <tel:2018-01-02> Legacy shows
>>>>          the same behaviour as OpenGL and Cairo. There Value is only
>>>>          visible when F.Fab is visible.
>>>>          This means 5.0 will show consistent behaviour over all
>>>>          canvases. Fine.
>>>>          The same is true with References and F.SilkS layer.
>>>>
>>>>          What is missing with this solution is the possibility to be
>>>>          able to only display Value/Reference of a footprint as the
>>>>          current stable release Legacy canvas allows. (I really like
>>>>          this feature because it removes a lot of visual noise on the
>>>>          PCB during layout design).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      I don't understand you. There is still the toggle for references
>>>>      and values in the render (elemente) tab. I don't understand why
>>>>      you exemplify it with 4.0.7 when you say there is no regression.
>>>>      Please illustrate what you would like to have and attach an
>>>>      example kicad_pcb file, it is easier to comment on that.
>>>>
>>>>      https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1741015
>>>>      <https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1741015>
>>>>      
>>>>          I do think the behaviour of Legacy was always there, therefore
>>>>          my confusion with the Values and References not visible when
>>>>          switching canvases.
>>>>          Is there any chance that in future there will be an option
>>>>          (again) to toggle Value and Reference visibility independently
>>>>          from F.Fab and F.Silks?
>>>>
>>>>          Best Regards,
>>>>            André
>>>>
>>>>          PS: xkcd reference: https://xkcd.com/1172/ ;)
>>>>
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