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Message #32942
Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
I see some poorly stacked books in these images as well and all of which
are way to large to be toolbar and menu icons. As I said, if you can
pull if off then I'm fine with it.
On 01/07/2018 03:51 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
> Hi Wayne,
>
> The problem I had with the library icon is that there are only 2 books,
> and a ruler, that's what it looks like to me, and the 2 books are
> stacked using a weird tilt angle, usually you'd expect the books to be
> stacked straight on the left side, and the book on the right to be
> tilted into the books on the left. It's the opposite in the current icon.
>
> Plenty of book icons online to draw inspiration from, or even creative
> commons:
> https://www.google.com/search?q=library+book+icon
> <https://www.google.com/search?q=library+book+icon> go to images
>
> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:45 PM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>
> My project leader hat is getting a workout today. Here is what I would
> like to see:
>
> Revert the libedit and modedit icons without pencils since we are doing
> away with whole pencil idea. The original blueprint concept for these
> icons was clever but they ended up looking a bit busy and didn't really
> fit in with the rest of our icons.
>
> Remove the magnifying glass from the appropriate icons since it is in
> the same vein as the pencil.
>
> Use the gerber file file extension (gbr) on the gerbview icon if we must
> use any text. I'm still not convinced that this is the best solution
> but I can't think of a better idea off the top of my head.
>
> Please consider muting the green of the board editor icon. From the
> images I've seen the bright green is a bit harsh. Maybe a slightly
> darker shade of green would be better. I've looked a hundreds of green
> PCBs in my career and I don't ever remember any of them hurting my eyes.
>
> As for the library icons, I'm fine with those. If you stack the books
> neatly, would they still look like books? I'm guessing they wouldn't
> but if someone can come up with an orderly book icon than I'm OK
> with that.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Wayne
>
>
> On 01/07/2018 01:43 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
> > I think GBR might be confusing since Gerber has 2 Rs, why not GRB, see
> > what I mean? I know it's the file extension .gbr, but how many new
> > people will figure it out easily? I think "Gerb" would be much better,
> > besides, the older existing icons use LM2902-N, etc in the icon and
> > that's still readable by me on 1080p with regular DPI, so Gerb would
> > definitely fit.
> >
> > I think 3-4 letters on the icons would definitely help, like Krisoffer
> > suggested.
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 1:59 AM, Jeff Young <jeff@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
> >
> > +1 to eeschema icon changes
> >
> > +1 to reverting libedit and modedit, but with no pencils
> >
> > +1 to no magnifying glass (the drill file, net and BOM icons all
> > have three letters on them; I’m sure GBR would fit on the gerber icon)
> >
> > I still think we need to change the project icon in the navigation
> > to something similar to the New Project icons (instead of the
> > application icon).
> >
> > Kudos to Oliver for spear-heading this.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jeff.
> >
> >
> >> On 7 Jan 2018, at 08:32, Andrey Kuznetsov <kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
> >>
> >> I agree, no pencils, no magnifying glass.
> >>
> >> By the way, anyone else thinks the .lib file icons in the
> >> navigation looks weird? If it's meant to look like a few stacked
> >> books, why are they tilted in weird directions?
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:26 AM, Simon Wells <swel024@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:swel024@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> <mailto:swel024@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:swel024@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
> >>
> >> if the modedit/libedit icons are to be reverted then i believe
> >> the pencils should be removed, seeing as they were used to
> >> portray edit i believe but now that pcbnew/eeschema don’t have
> >> them they just seem odd
> >>
> >>> On 7/01/2018, at 2:28 PM, Nick Østergaard <oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>> <mailto:oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I have been intending to revert the annotate icon in eeschema
> >>> to the old one, which made much more sense to me thatn the
> >>> current one.
> >>>
> >>> 2018-01-07 1:24 GMT+01:00 Oliver Walters
> >>> <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>> <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>>:
> >>>
> >>> I have attached a patchset which performs the following:
> >>>
> >>> 1. Revert libedit icon to previous version
> >>> 2. Revert modedit icon to previous version
> >>> 3. Updates pcbnew icon to look more like a PCB
> >>> 4. Update colors of eeschema icon
> >>> 5. Various (almost imperceptible) tweaks to a number of
> >>> icons to fix graphic alignment issues
> >>>
> >>> Here is a screenshot of the updated icons:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> <Selection_010.png>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> <Selection_009.png>
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 8:34 AM, Oliver Walters
> >>> <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>> <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 7 Jan 2018 05:04, "Chris Pavlina"
> >>> <pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>> <mailto:pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I wish we had something resembling a policy for
> >>> icons. It seems like
> >>> someone always wants to change them. We had
> >>> decent icons for these
> >>> _before_, and then someone submitted new ones,
> >>> and they were accepted
> >>> because... I don't know? Many of the new icons
> >>> are really ambiguous and
> >>> kind of useless. Shouldn't have been merged.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> This is why I'm pushing for *a* change and not *my*
> >>> change, I remember how the argument went last time,
> >>> before they were silently merged.
> >>>
> >>> I also note that there is a lack of consistency
> >>> between similar icons. e.g. there are many icons
> >>> which incorporate an arrow but the style/shape
> of the
> >>> arrows varies.
> >>>
> >>> For the record, I like these proposed ones. They
> >>> bring back the ability
> >>> to recognize them at a glance.
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Jan 06, 2018 at 05:52:49PM +0000,
> >>> kristoffer Ödmark wrote:
> >>> > I would love to see improved icons, I still
> >>> never get used to them so i read
> >>> > the tooltip, newer know which one is pcb and
> >>> which one is module editor.
> >>> >
> >>> > Luckily most of the time I only need to double
> >>> click the kicad_pcb file
> >>> > anyway :)
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On 2018-01-06 15:08, Nick Østergaard wrote:
> >>> > > 2018-01-06 14:15 GMT+01:00 Jeff Young
> >>> <jeff@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >>> > > <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>>>>:
> >>> > >
> >>> > > +1
> >>> > >
> >>> > > And I like Oliver’s proposed icons. I’d
> >>> suggest two further
> >>> > > changes though:
> >>> > >
> >>> > > 1) The schematic icon (which Oliver
> >>> didn’t change) should really
> >>> > > use the default colours (dark red
> >>> symbols, green wires). Then
> >>> > > there’s a stronger tie-in with the
> >>> libedit icon.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > 2) I think I’d drop the dimensions from
> >>> the modedit icon, and
> >>> > > change the pad colour to the default
> >>> (yellow).
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > The default pad color is not yellow, that is
> >>> only what you see for THT
> >>> > > pads. Default pad color is green for bottom
> >>> and red for top copper
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > 3) Projects should use the current New
> >>> Project icon, rather than
> >>> > > the application icon.
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > I have considered to submit a patch for this
> >>> for some time, but I guess
> >>> > > it is an appropiate time to do this with a
> >>> major version bump.
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > 4) Both the New Project and New Project
> >>> from Template icons should
> >>> > > get yellow “new” star.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > 5) New Footprint in modedit also needs
> >>> the star, and the star on
> >>> > > New Symbol in libedit made more
> prominent.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Cheers,
> >>> > > Jeff.
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > > On 6 Jan 2018, at 12:30, Oliver
> Walters
> >>> > > > <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>> <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >>> > > >
> <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>> <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > I think there is a need to tweak the
> >>> libedit and modedit icons,
> >>> > > > as identified below:
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > <Selection_006.png>
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > <Selection_007.png>
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > 1. The blue 'textured' background is
> >>> out of place with the other
> >>> > > > icons
> >>> > > > 2. They are very cluttered and
> hard to read
> >>> > > > 3. Weirdly specific callout of
> >>> dimensions and part names (out of
> >>> > > > character with other icons)
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > Further, I think that the pcbnew icon
> >>> could be adjusted slightly
> >>> > > > to make it look a bit more like a PCB
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > Even as someone who uses KiCad on a
> >>> regular basis I find myself
> >>> > > > double checking which icon I am about
> >>> to click on (and still
> >>> > > > getting it wrong half of the time).
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > Below is a /**suggestion**/ of some
> >>> improvements. I am not trying
> >>> > > > to back my own horse here, I'd be
> happy
> >>> for anyone else to
> >>> > > > suggest a better design for any of
> >>> these. But I feel that
> >>> > > > changing these icons would be a good
> >>> improvement to make before
> >>> > > > the v5 release. There have been many
> >>> people complaining about
> >>> > > > these icons in particular, both here
> >>> and on the user forums.
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > <Selection_008.png>
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > Is this a worthwhile endeavor, or are
> >>> people attached to the
> >>> > > > weird blue icons?
> >>> > > >
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> >> Those who look only to the past or the present are certain to miss
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Follow ups
References
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Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Oliver Walters, 2018-01-06
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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Jeff Young, 2018-01-06
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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Nick Østergaard, 2018-01-06
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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: kristoffer Ödmark, 2018-01-06
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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Chris Pavlina, 2018-01-06
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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Oliver Walters, 2018-01-06
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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Oliver Walters, 2018-01-07
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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Nick Østergaard, 2018-01-07
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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Simon Wells, 2018-01-07
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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Andrey Kuznetsov, 2018-01-07
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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Jeff Young, 2018-01-07
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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Andrey Kuznetsov, 2018-01-07
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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Wayne Stambaugh, 2018-01-07
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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Andrey Kuznetsov, 2018-01-07
