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[Jeff Young <jeff@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Oliver,

Nice work.

A couple of comments:

1) The “new” stars are usually gold in most apps.

2) Are the folded up corners on the schematic and pcb icons really doing us any good (other than adding visual complexity)?  It might be time to part ways with them….

3) I thought we were going to add GBR to the gerber icon?  (The different colours make it easy to distinguish from the pcb icon, but without the text I don’t know which is which.)

4) I like the library shelf books in the “right” order. :)

5) Jean-Paul is probably right that we need higher contrast on at least the project icons.  Once we have that, we also need to replace the project file icons in the list with a project icon that looks like the new/open/etc. project icons.

Keep going!

Cheers,
Jeff.

> On 8 Jan 2018, at 20:58, Jean-Paul Louis <louijp@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> Oliver,
> 
> I usually try not to criticize someone else hard work, but
> these six top icons are for me the worst I ever saw.
> Let me qualify. My eyes are not like the ones of a teenager,
> so the extreme lack of contrast make them to me very hard to read.
> The only one that at first glance make sense to me is the last one,
> even with such a bad contrast. The other ones are all washed out for me.
> UI (user interface) useability is a science, not an art.
> 
> Please advise.
> 
> My $0.02,
> Jean-Paul
> N1JPL
> 
> 
>> On Jan 8, 2018, at 3:36 PM, Oliver Walters <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> 
>> What about something like this?
>> 
>> <Selection_011.png>
>> 
>> I have also gone through the entire icon set and standardized the "modifier" icons (save / load / import / export / new / etc) as they all had different style / shape / color.
>> 
>> e.g.
>> 
>> <Selection_012.png>
>> 
>> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 7:56 AM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> I see some poorly stacked books in these images as well and all of which
>> are way to large to be toolbar and menu icons.  As I said, if you can
>> pull if off then I'm fine with it.
>> 
>> On 01/07/2018 03:51 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
>>> Hi Wayne,
>>> 
>>> The problem I had with the library icon is that there are only 2 books,
>>> and a ruler, that's what it looks like to me, and the 2 books are
>>> stacked using a weird tilt angle, usually you'd expect the books to be
>>> stacked straight on the left side, and the book on the right to be
>>> tilted into the books on the left. It's the opposite in the current icon.
>>> 
>>> Plenty of book icons online to draw inspiration from, or even creative
>>> commons:
>>> https://www.google.com/search?q=library+book+icon
>>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=library+book+icon> go to images
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:45 PM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
>>> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>    My project leader hat is getting a workout today.  Here is what I would
>>>    like to see:
>>> 
>>>    Revert the libedit and modedit icons without pencils since we are doing
>>>    away with whole pencil idea.  The original blueprint concept for these
>>>    icons was clever but they ended up looking a bit busy and didn't really
>>>    fit in with the rest of our icons.
>>> 
>>>    Remove the magnifying glass from the appropriate icons since it is in
>>>    the same vein as the pencil.
>>> 
>>>    Use the gerber file file extension (gbr) on the gerbview icon if we must
>>>    use any text.  I'm still not convinced that this is the best solution
>>>    but I can't think of a better idea off the top of my head.
>>> 
>>>    Please consider muting the green of the board editor icon.  From the
>>>    images I've seen the bright green is a bit harsh.  Maybe a slightly
>>>    darker shade of green would be better.  I've looked a hundreds of green
>>>    PCBs in my career and I don't ever remember any of them hurting my eyes.
>>> 
>>>    As for the library icons, I'm fine with those.  If you stack the books
>>>    neatly, would they still look like books?  I'm guessing they wouldn't
>>>    but if someone can come up with an orderly book icon than I'm OK
>>>    with that.
>>> 
>>>    Cheers,
>>> 
>>>    Wayne
>>> 
>>> 
>>>    On 01/07/2018 01:43 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
>>>> I think GBR might be confusing since Gerber has 2 Rs, why not GRB, see
>>>> what I mean? I know it's the file extension .gbr, but how many new
>>>> people will figure it out easily? I think "Gerb" would be much better,
>>>> besides, the older existing icons use LM2902-N, etc in the icon and
>>>> that's still readable by me on 1080p with regular DPI, so Gerb would
>>>> definitely fit.
>>>> 
>>>> I think 3-4 letters on the icons would definitely help, like Krisoffer
>>>> suggested.
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 1:59 AM, Jeff Young <jeff@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>    +1 to eeschema icon changes
>>>> 
>>>>    +1 to reverting libedit and modedit, but with no pencils
>>>> 
>>>>    +1 to no magnifying glass  (the drill file, net and BOM icons all
>>>>    have three letters on them; I’m sure GBR would fit on the gerber icon)
>>>> 
>>>>    I still think we need to change the project icon in the navigation
>>>>    to something similar to the New Project icons (instead of the
>>>>    application icon).
>>>> 
>>>>    Kudos to Oliver for spear-heading this.
>>>> 
>>>>    Cheers,
>>>>    Jeff.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>    On 7 Jan 2018, at 08:32, Andrey Kuznetsov <kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>    <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>    I agree, no pencils, no magnifying glass.
>>>>> 
>>>>>    By the way, anyone else thinks the .lib file icons in the
>>>>>    navigation looks weird? If it's meant to look like a few stacked
>>>>>    books, why are they tilted in weird directions?
>>>>> 
>>>>>    On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:26 AM, Simon Wells <swel024@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:swel024@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>    <mailto:swel024@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:swel024@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>        if the modedit/libedit icons are to be reverted then i believe
>>>>>        the pencils should be removed, seeing as they were used to
>>>>>        portray edit i believe but now that pcbnew/eeschema don’t have
>>>>>        them they just seem odd
>>>>> 
>>>>>>        On 7/01/2018, at 2:28 PM, Nick Østergaard <oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>        <mailto:oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>        I have been intending to revert the annotate icon in eeschema
>>>>>>        to the old one, which made much more sense to me thatn the
>>>>>>        current one.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>        2018-01-07 1:24 GMT+01:00 Oliver Walters
>>>>>>        <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>        <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>>>    <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>>:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>            I have attached a patchset which performs the following:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>            1. Revert libedit icon to previous version
>>>>>>            2. Revert modedit icon to previous version
>>>>>>            3. Updates pcbnew icon to look more like a PCB
>>>>>>            4. Update colors of eeschema icon
>>>>>>            5. Various (almost imperceptible) tweaks to a number of
>>>>>>            icons to fix graphic alignment issues
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>            Here is a screenshot of the updated icons:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>            <Selection_010.png>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>            <Selection_009.png>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>            On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 8:34 AM, Oliver Walters
>>>>>>            <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>            <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>>>    <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                On 7 Jan 2018 05:04, "Chris Pavlina"
>>>>>>                <pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>                <mailto:pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx
>>>    <mailto:pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                    I wish we had something resembling a policy for
>>>>>>                    icons. It seems like
>>>>>>                    someone always wants to change them. We had
>>>>>>                    decent icons for these
>>>>>>                    _before_, and then someone submitted new ones,
>>>>>>                    and they were accepted
>>>>>>                    because... I don't know? Many of the new icons
>>>>>>                    are really ambiguous and
>>>>>>                    kind of useless. Shouldn't have been merged.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                This is why I'm pushing for *a* change and not *my*
>>>>>>                change, I remember how the argument went last time,
>>>>>>                before they were silently merged. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                I also note that there is a lack of consistency
>>>>>>                between similar icons. e.g. there are many icons
>>>>>>                which incorporate an arrow but the style/shape
>>>    of the
>>>>>>                arrows varies. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                    For the record, I like these proposed ones. They
>>>>>>                    bring back the ability
>>>>>>                    to recognize them at a glance.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                    On Sat, Jan 06, 2018 at 05:52:49PM +0000,
>>>>>>                    kristoffer Ödmark wrote:
>>>>>>> I would love to see improved icons, I still
>>>>>>                    never get used to them so i read
>>>>>>> the tooltip, newer know which one is pcb and
>>>>>>                    which one is module editor.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Luckily most of the time I only need to double
>>>>>>                    click the kicad_pcb file
>>>>>>> anyway :)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 2018-01-06 15:08, Nick Østergaard wrote:
>>>>>>>> 2018-01-06 14:15 GMT+01:00 Jeff Young
>>>>>>                    <jeff@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>    <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx
>>>    <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx
>>>    <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>>>>:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>    +1
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>    And I like Oliver’s proposed icons.  I’d
>>>>>>                    suggest two further
>>>>>>>>    changes though:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>    1) The schematic icon (which Oliver
>>>>>>                    didn’t change) should really
>>>>>>>>    use the default colours (dark red
>>>>>>                    symbols, green wires).  Then
>>>>>>>>    there’s a stronger tie-in with the
>>>>>>                    libedit icon.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>    2) I think I’d drop the dimensions from
>>>>>>                    the modedit icon, and
>>>>>>>>    change the pad colour to the default
>>>>>>                    (yellow).
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The default pad color is not yellow, that is
>>>>>>                    only what you see for THT
>>>>>>>> pads. Default pad color is green for bottom
>>>>>>                    and red for top copper
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>    3) Projects should use the current New
>>>>>>                    Project icon, rather than
>>>>>>>>    the application icon.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I have considered to submit a patch for this
>>>>>>                    for some time, but I guess
>>>>>>>> it is an appropiate time to do this with a
>>>>>>                    major version bump.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>    4) Both the New Project and New Project
>>>>>>                    from Template icons should
>>>>>>>>    get yellow “new” star.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>    5) New Footprint in modedit also needs
>>>>>>                    the star, and the star on
>>>>>>>>    New Symbol in libedit made more
>>>    prominent.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>    Cheers,
>>>>>>>>    Jeff.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>    On 6 Jan 2018, at 12:30, Oliver
>>>    Walters
>>>>>>>>>    <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>>>    <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>                    <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>>>    <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>>>    <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>                    <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>>>    <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>    I think there is a need to tweak the
>>>>>>                    libedit and modedit icons,
>>>>>>>>>    as identified below:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>    <Selection_006.png>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>    <Selection_007.png>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>    1. The blue 'textured' background is
>>>>>>                    out of place with the other
>>>>>>>>>    icons
>>>>>>>>>    2. They are very cluttered and
>>>    hard to read
>>>>>>>>>    3. Weirdly specific callout of
>>>>>>                    dimensions and part names (out of
>>>>>>>>>    character with other icons)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>    Further, I think that the pcbnew icon
>>>>>>                    could be adjusted slightly
>>>>>>>>>    to make it look a bit more like a PCB
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>    Even as someone who uses KiCad on a
>>>>>>                    regular basis I find myself
>>>>>>>>>    double checking which icon I am about
>>>>>>                    to click on (and still
>>>>>>>>>    getting it wrong half of the time).
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>    Below is a /**suggestion**/ of some
>>>>>>                    improvements. I am not trying
>>>>>>>>>    to back my own horse here, I'd be
>>>    happy
>>>>>>                    for anyone else to
>>>>>>>>>    suggest a better design for any of
>>>>>>                    these. But I feel that
>>>>>>>>>    changing these icons would be a good
>>>>>>                    improvement to make before
>>>>>>>>>    the v5 release. There have been many
>>>>>>                    people complaining about
>>>>>>>>>    these icons in particular, both here
>>>>>>                    and on the user forums.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>    <Selection_008.png>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>    Is this a worthwhile endeavor, or are
>>>>>>                    people attached to the
>>>>>>>>>    weird blue icons?
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