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[Andrey Kuznetsov <kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>]

Oliver thanks,

Here's a couple more comments in addition to Jeff's.

1. I agree with Jeff on the Gerber icon, it's not clear which is which PCB
layout vs Gerber.
2. Why are the books different height??? Make red book same height as green
book.
3. I don't understand the meaning of the * on the icons.
4. See if making the red book a little more bright red, makes it look
better, thanks for changing the yellow book to blue. Try checking if a
black shadow around the + sign on the book icon makes it look better
instead of the white. Same thing for all the arrows.
5. I agree with Jeff, not sure the complexity of the folded sheet corner is
welcomed.
6. Anyone else thinks the shadow under the amplifier for the symbol edit
button makes it look weird?

I LIKE:
1. The calculator button, I wanted to suggest it, but didn't.
2. The empty worksheet layout button.

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Oliver Walters <
oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> What about something like this?
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> I have also gone through the entire icon set and standardized the
> "modifier" icons (save / load / import / export / new / etc) as they all
> had different style / shape / color.
>
> e.g.
>
> [image: Inline image 2]
>
> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 7:56 AM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>> I see some poorly stacked books in these images as well and all of which
>> are way to large to be toolbar and menu icons.  As I said, if you can
>> pull if off then I'm fine with it.
>>
>> On 01/07/2018 03:51 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
>> > Hi Wayne,
>> >
>> > The problem I had with the library icon is that there are only 2 books,
>> > and a ruler, that's what it looks like to me, and the 2 books are
>> > stacked using a weird tilt angle, usually you'd expect the books to be
>> > stacked straight on the left side, and the book on the right to be
>> > tilted into the books on the left. It's the opposite in the current
>> icon.
>> >
>> > Plenty of book icons online to draw inspiration from, or even creative
>> > commons:
>> > https://www.google.com/search?q=library+book+icon
>> > <https://www.google.com/search?q=library+book+icon> go to images
>> >
>> > On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:45 PM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> >
>> >     My project leader hat is getting a workout today.  Here is what I
>> would
>> >     like to see:
>> >
>> >     Revert the libedit and modedit icons without pencils since we are
>> doing
>> >     away with whole pencil idea.  The original blueprint concept for
>> these
>> >     icons was clever but they ended up looking a bit busy and didn't
>> really
>> >     fit in with the rest of our icons.
>> >
>> >     Remove the magnifying glass from the appropriate icons since it is
>> in
>> >     the same vein as the pencil.
>> >
>> >     Use the gerber file file extension (gbr) on the gerbview icon if we
>> must
>> >     use any text.  I'm still not convinced that this is the best
>> solution
>> >     but I can't think of a better idea off the top of my head.
>> >
>> >     Please consider muting the green of the board editor icon.  From the
>> >     images I've seen the bright green is a bit harsh.  Maybe a slightly
>> >     darker shade of green would be better.  I've looked a hundreds of
>> green
>> >     PCBs in my career and I don't ever remember any of them hurting my
>> eyes.
>> >
>> >     As for the library icons, I'm fine with those.  If you stack the
>> books
>> >     neatly, would they still look like books?  I'm guessing they
>> wouldn't
>> >     but if someone can come up with an orderly book icon than I'm OK
>> >     with that.
>> >
>> >     Cheers,
>> >
>> >     Wayne
>> >
>> >
>> >     On 01/07/2018 01:43 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
>> >     > I think GBR might be confusing since Gerber has 2 Rs, why not
>> GRB, see
>> >     > what I mean? I know it's the file extension .gbr, but how many new
>> >     > people will figure it out easily? I think "Gerb" would be much
>> better,
>> >     > besides, the older existing icons use LM2902-N, etc in the icon
>> and
>> >     > that's still readable by me on 1080p with regular DPI, so Gerb
>> would
>> >     > definitely fit.
>> >     >
>> >     > I think 3-4 letters on the icons would definitely help, like
>> Krisoffer
>> >     > suggested.
>> >     >
>> >     > On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 1:59 AM, Jeff Young <jeff@xxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >     > <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
>> >     >
>> >     >     +1 to eeschema icon changes
>> >     >
>> >     >     +1 to reverting libedit and modedit, but with no pencils
>> >     >
>> >     >     +1 to no magnifying glass  (the drill file, net and BOM icons
>> all
>> >     >     have three letters on them; I’m sure GBR would fit on the
>> gerber icon)
>> >     >
>> >     >     I still think we need to change the project icon in the
>> navigation
>> >     >     to something similar to the New Project icons (instead of the
>> >     >     application icon).
>> >     >
>> >     >     Kudos to Oliver for spear-heading this.
>> >     >
>> >     >     Cheers,
>> >     >     Jeff.
>> >     >
>> >     >
>> >     >>     On 7 Jan 2018, at 08:32, Andrey Kuznetsov <
>> kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >     >>     <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>> wrote:
>> >     >>
>> >     >>     I agree, no pencils, no magnifying glass.
>> >     >>
>> >     >>     By the way, anyone else thinks the .lib file icons in the
>> >     >>     navigation looks weird? If it's meant to look like a few
>> stacked
>> >     >>     books, why are they tilted in weird directions?
>> >     >>
>> >     >>     On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:26 AM, Simon Wells <
>> swel024@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:swel024@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >     >>     <mailto:swel024@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:swel024@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>> wrote:
>> >     >>
>> >     >>         if the modedit/libedit icons are to be reverted then i
>> believe
>> >     >>         the pencils should be removed, seeing as they were used
>> to
>> >     >>         portray edit i believe but now that pcbnew/eeschema
>> don’t have
>> >     >>         them they just seem odd
>> >     >>
>> >     >>>         On 7/01/2018, at 2:28 PM, Nick Østergaard <
>> oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >     >>>         <mailto:oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>> wrote:
>> >     >>>
>> >     >>>         I have been intending to revert the annotate icon in
>> eeschema
>> >     >>>         to the old one, which made much more sense to me thatn
>> the
>> >     >>>         current one.
>> >     >>>
>> >     >>>         2018-01-07 1:24 GMT+01:00 Oliver Walters
>> >     >>>         <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:
>> oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >     >>>         <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>> >     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>>:
>> >     >>>
>> >     >>>             I have attached a patchset which performs the
>> following:
>> >     >>>
>> >     >>>             1. Revert libedit icon to previous version
>> >     >>>             2. Revert modedit icon to previous version
>> >     >>>             3. Updates pcbnew icon to look more like a PCB
>> >     >>>             4. Update colors of eeschema icon
>> >     >>>             5. Various (almost imperceptible) tweaks to a
>> number of
>> >     >>>             icons to fix graphic alignment issues
>> >     >>>
>> >     >>>             Here is a screenshot of the updated icons:
>> >     >>>
>> >     >>>
>> >     >>>             <Selection_010.png>
>> >     >>>
>> >     >>>
>> >     >>>             <Selection_009.png>
>> >     >>>
>> >     >>>             On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 8:34 AM, Oliver Walters
>> >     >>>             <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:
>> oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >     >>>             <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>> >     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
>> >     >>>
>> >     >>>                 On 7 Jan 2018 05:04, "Chris Pavlina"
>> >     >>>                 <pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:
>> pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >     >>>                 <mailto:pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx
>> >     <mailto:pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
>> >     >>>
>> >     >>>                     I wish we had something resembling a policy
>> for
>> >     >>>                     icons. It seems like
>> >     >>>                     someone always wants to change them. We had
>> >     >>>                     decent icons for these
>> >     >>>                     _before_, and then someone submitted new
>> ones,
>> >     >>>                     and they were accepted
>> >     >>>                     because... I don't know? Many of the new
>> icons
>> >     >>>                     are really ambiguous and
>> >     >>>                     kind of useless. Shouldn't have been merged.
>> >     >>>
>> >     >>>
>> >     >>>                 This is why I'm pushing for *a* change and not
>> *my*
>> >     >>>                 change, I remember how the argument went last
>> time,
>> >     >>>                 before they were silently merged.
>> >     >>>
>> >     >>>                 I also note that there is a lack of consistency
>> >     >>>                 between similar icons. e.g. there are many icons
>> >     >>>                 which incorporate an arrow but the style/shape
>> >     of the
>> >     >>>                 arrows varies.
>> >     >>>
>> >     >>>                     For the record, I like these proposed ones.
>> They
>> >     >>>                     bring back the ability
>> >     >>>                     to recognize them at a glance.
>> >     >>>
>> >     >>>                     On Sat, Jan 06, 2018 at 05:52:49PM +0000,
>> >     >>>                     kristoffer Ödmark wrote:
>> >     >>>                     > I would love to see improved icons, I
>> still
>> >     >>>                     never get used to them so i read
>> >     >>>                     > the tooltip, newer know which one is pcb
>> and
>> >     >>>                     which one is module editor.
>> >     >>>                     >
>> >     >>>                     > Luckily most of the time I only need to
>> double
>> >     >>>                     click the kicad_pcb file
>> >     >>>                     > anyway :)
>> >     >>>                     >
>> >     >>>                     >
>> >     >>>                     > On 2018-01-06 15:08, Nick Østergaard
>> wrote:
>> >     >>>                     > > 2018-01-06 14:15 GMT+01:00 Jeff Young
>> >     >>>                     <jeff@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >     <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>>
>> >     >>>                     > > <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx
>> >     <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx
>> >     <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>>>>:
>> >     >>>                     > >
>> >     >>>                     > >     +1
>> >     >>>                     > >
>> >     >>>                     > >     And I like Oliver’s proposed
>> icons.  I’d
>> >     >>>                     suggest two further
>> >     >>>                     > >     changes though:
>> >     >>>                     > >
>> >     >>>                     > >     1) The schematic icon (which Oliver
>> >     >>>                     didn’t change) should really
>> >     >>>                     > >     use the default colours (dark red
>> >     >>>                     symbols, green wires).  Then
>> >     >>>                     > >     there’s a stronger tie-in with the
>> >     >>>                     libedit icon.
>> >     >>>                     > >
>> >     >>>                     > >     2) I think I’d drop the dimensions
>> from
>> >     >>>                     the modedit icon, and
>> >     >>>                     > >     change the pad colour to the default
>> >     >>>                     (yellow).
>> >     >>>                     > >
>> >     >>>                     > >
>> >     >>>                     > > The default pad color is not yellow,
>> that is
>> >     >>>                     only what you see for THT
>> >     >>>                     > > pads. Default pad color is green for
>> bottom
>> >     >>>                     and red for top copper
>> >     >>>                     > >
>> >     >>>                     > >
>> >     >>>                     > >     3) Projects should use the current
>> New
>> >     >>>                     Project icon, rather than
>> >     >>>                     > >     the application icon.
>> >     >>>                     > >
>> >     >>>                     > >
>> >     >>>                     > > I have considered to submit a patch for
>> this
>> >     >>>                     for some time, but I guess
>> >     >>>                     > > it is an appropiate time to do this
>> with a
>> >     >>>                     major version bump.
>> >     >>>                     > >
>> >     >>>                     > >
>> >     >>>                     > >     4) Both the New Project and New
>> Project
>> >     >>>                     from Template icons should
>> >     >>>                     > >     get yellow “new” star.
>> >     >>>                     > >
>> >     >>>                     > >     5) New Footprint in modedit also
>> needs
>> >     >>>                     the star, and the star on
>> >     >>>                     > >     New Symbol in libedit made more
>> >     prominent.
>> >     >>>                     > >
>> >     >>>                     > >     Cheers,
>> >     >>>                     > >     Jeff.
>> >     >>>                     > >
>> >     >>>                     > >
>> >     >>>                     > > >     On 6 Jan 2018, at 12:30, Oliver
>> >     Walters
>> >     >>>                     > > >     <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>> >     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >     >>>                     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>> >     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>
>> >     >>>                     > > >
>> >      <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>> >     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >     >>>                     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>> >     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
>> >     >>>                     > > >
>> >     >>>                     > > >     I think there is a need to tweak
>> the
>> >     >>>                     libedit and modedit icons,
>> >     >>>                     > > >     as identified below:
>> >     >>>                     > > >
>> >     >>>                     > > >     <Selection_006.png>
>> >     >>>                     > > >
>> >     >>>                     > > >     <Selection_007.png>
>> >     >>>                     > > >
>> >     >>>                     > > >     1. The blue 'textured' background
>> is
>> >     >>>                     out of place with the other
>> >     >>>                     > > >     icons
>> >     >>>                     > > >     2. They are very cluttered and
>> >     hard to read
>> >     >>>                     > > >     3. Weirdly specific callout of
>> >     >>>                     dimensions and part names (out of
>> >     >>>                     > > >     character with other icons)
>> >     >>>                     > > >
>> >     >>>                     > > >     Further, I think that the pcbnew
>> icon
>> >     >>>                     could be adjusted slightly
>> >     >>>                     > > >     to make it look a bit more like a
>> PCB
>> >     >>>                     > > >
>> >     >>>                     > > >     Even as someone who uses KiCad on
>> a
>> >     >>>                     regular basis I find myself
>> >     >>>                     > > >     double checking which icon I am
>> about
>> >     >>>                     to click on (and still
>> >     >>>                     > > >     getting it wrong half of the
>> time).
>> >     >>>                     > > >
>> >     >>>                     > > >     Below is a /**suggestion**/ of
>> some
>> >     >>>                     improvements. I am not trying
>> >     >>>                     > > >     to back my own horse here, I'd be
>> >     happy
>> >     >>>                     for anyone else to
>> >     >>>                     > > >     suggest a better design for any of
>> >     >>>                     these. But I feel that
>> >     >>>                     > > >     changing these icons would be a
>> good
>> >     >>>                     improvement to make before
>> >     >>>                     > > >     the v5 release. There have been
>> many
>> >     >>>                     people complaining about
>> >     >>>                     > > >     these icons in particular, both
>> here
>> >     >>>                     and on the user forums.
>> >     >>>                     > > >
>> >     >>>                     > > >     <Selection_008.png>
>> >     >>>                     > > >
>> >     >>>                     > > >     Is this a worthwhile endeavor, or
>> are
>> >     >>>                     people attached to the
>> >     >>>                     > > >     weird blue icons?
>> >     >>>                     > > >
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>> >     >>     Those who look only to the past or the present are certain
>> to miss
>> >     >>     the future [JFK]
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>> >     >>     kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >     <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
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>> >     >
>> >     >
>> >     > --
>> >     > Remember The Past, Live The Present, Change The Future
>> >     > Those who look only to the past or the present are certain to
>> miss the
>> >     > future [JFK]
>> >     >
>> >     > kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >     <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
>> >     > Live Long and Prosper,
>> >     > Andrey
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>> > --
>> > Remember The Past, Live The Present, Change The Future
>> > Those who look only to the past or the present are certain to miss the
>> > future [JFK]
>> >
>> > kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > Live Long and Prosper,
>> > Andrey
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Remember The Past, Live The Present, Change The Future
Those who look only to the past or the present are certain to miss the
future [JFK]

kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
Live Long and Prosper,
Andrey