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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons

 

I hadn’t noticed the shadows (there’s one on the modedit icon too), but I’d put them in the same camp as the turned-up corners: adding visual complexity without any cognitive benefit.

The *’s are commonly used to mean “new”.  (They should be more of a glint than a star, but that’s difficult in a few pixels.)

Cheers,
Jeff.


> On 9 Jan 2018, at 07:02, Andrey Kuznetsov <kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> Oliver thanks,
> 
> Here's a couple more comments in addition to Jeff's.
> 
> 1. I agree with Jeff on the Gerber icon, it's not clear which is which PCB layout vs Gerber.
> 2. Why are the books different height??? Make red book same height as green book.
> 3. I don't understand the meaning of the * on the icons.
> 4. See if making the red book a little more bright red, makes it look better, thanks for changing the yellow book to blue. Try checking if a black shadow around the + sign on the book icon makes it look better instead of the white. Same thing for all the arrows.
> 5. I agree with Jeff, not sure the complexity of the folded sheet corner is welcomed.
> 6. Anyone else thinks the shadow under the amplifier for the symbol edit button makes it look weird?
> 
> I LIKE:
> 1. The calculator button, I wanted to suggest it, but didn't.
> 2. The empty worksheet layout button.
> 
> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Oliver Walters <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> What about something like this?
> 
> <Selection_011.png>
> 
> I have also gone through the entire icon set and standardized the "modifier" icons (save / load / import / export / new / etc) as they all had different style / shape / color.
> 
> e.g.
> 
> <Selection_012.png>
> 
> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 7:56 AM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> I see some poorly stacked books in these images as well and all of which
> are way to large to be toolbar and menu icons.  As I said, if you can
> pull if off then I'm fine with it.
> 
> On 01/07/2018 03:51 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
> > Hi Wayne,
> >
> > The problem I had with the library icon is that there are only 2 books,
> > and a ruler, that's what it looks like to me, and the 2 books are
> > stacked using a weird tilt angle, usually you'd expect the books to be
> > stacked straight on the left side, and the book on the right to be
> > tilted into the books on the left. It's the opposite in the current icon.
> >
> > Plenty of book icons online to draw inspiration from, or even creative
> > commons:
> > https://www.google.com/search?q=library+book+icon <https://www.google.com/search?q=library+book+icon>
> > <https://www.google.com/search?q=library+book+icon <https://www.google.com/search?q=library+book+icon>> go to images
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:45 PM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
> >
> >     My project leader hat is getting a workout today.  Here is what I would
> >     like to see:
> >
> >     Revert the libedit and modedit icons without pencils since we are doing
> >     away with whole pencil idea.  The original blueprint concept for these
> >     icons was clever but they ended up looking a bit busy and didn't really
> >     fit in with the rest of our icons.
> >
> >     Remove the magnifying glass from the appropriate icons since it is in
> >     the same vein as the pencil.
> >
> >     Use the gerber file file extension (gbr) on the gerbview icon if we must
> >     use any text.  I'm still not convinced that this is the best solution
> >     but I can't think of a better idea off the top of my head.
> >
> >     Please consider muting the green of the board editor icon.  From the
> >     images I've seen the bright green is a bit harsh.  Maybe a slightly
> >     darker shade of green would be better.  I've looked a hundreds of green
> >     PCBs in my career and I don't ever remember any of them hurting my eyes.
> >
> >     As for the library icons, I'm fine with those.  If you stack the books
> >     neatly, would they still look like books?  I'm guessing they wouldn't
> >     but if someone can come up with an orderly book icon than I'm OK
> >     with that.
> >
> >     Cheers,
> >
> >     Wayne
> >
> >
> >     On 01/07/2018 01:43 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
> >     > I think GBR might be confusing since Gerber has 2 Rs, why not GRB, see
> >     > what I mean? I know it's the file extension .gbr, but how many new
> >     > people will figure it out easily? I think "Gerb" would be much better,
> >     > besides, the older existing icons use LM2902-N, etc in the icon and
> >     > that's still readable by me on 1080p with regular DPI, so Gerb would
> >     > definitely fit.
> >     >
> >     > I think 3-4 letters on the icons would definitely help, like Krisoffer
> >     > suggested.
> >     >
> >     > On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 1:59 AM, Jeff Young <jeff@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >     > <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
> >     >
> >     >     +1 to eeschema icon changes
> >     >
> >     >     +1 to reverting libedit and modedit, but with no pencils
> >     >
> >     >     +1 to no magnifying glass  (the drill file, net and BOM icons all
> >     >     have three letters on them; I’m sure GBR would fit on the gerber icon)
> >     >
> >     >     I still think we need to change the project icon in the navigation
> >     >     to something similar to the New Project icons (instead of the
> >     >     application icon).
> >     >
> >     >     Kudos to Oliver for spear-heading this.
> >     >
> >     >     Cheers,
> >     >     Jeff.
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >>     On 7 Jan 2018, at 08:32, Andrey Kuznetsov <kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >     >>     <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
> >     >>
> >     >>     I agree, no pencils, no magnifying glass.
> >     >>
> >     >>     By the way, anyone else thinks the .lib file icons in the
> >     >>     navigation looks weird? If it's meant to look like a few stacked
> >     >>     books, why are they tilted in weird directions?
> >     >>
> >     >>     On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:26 AM, Simon Wells <swel024@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:swel024@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:swel024@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:swel024@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >     >>     <mailto:swel024@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:swel024@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:swel024@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:swel024@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
> >     >>
> >     >>         if the modedit/libedit icons are to be reverted then i believe
> >     >>         the pencils should be removed, seeing as they were used to
> >     >>         portray edit i believe but now that pcbnew/eeschema don’t have
> >     >>         them they just seem odd
> >     >>
> >     >>>         On 7/01/2018, at 2:28 PM, Nick Østergaard <oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >     >>>         <mailto:oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
> >     >>>
> >     >>>         I have been intending to revert the annotate icon in eeschema
> >     >>>         to the old one, which made much more sense to me thatn the
> >     >>>         current one.
> >     >>>
> >     >>>         2018-01-07 1:24 GMT+01:00 Oliver Walters
> >     >>>         <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >     >>>         <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
> >     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>>>:
> >     >>>
> >     >>>             I have attached a patchset which performs the following:
> >     >>>
> >     >>>             1. Revert libedit icon to previous version
> >     >>>             2. Revert modedit icon to previous version
> >     >>>             3. Updates pcbnew icon to look more like a PCB
> >     >>>             4. Update colors of eeschema icon
> >     >>>             5. Various (almost imperceptible) tweaks to a number of
> >     >>>             icons to fix graphic alignment issues
> >     >>>
> >     >>>             Here is a screenshot of the updated icons:
> >     >>>
> >     >>>
> >     >>>             <Selection_010.png>
> >     >>>
> >     >>>
> >     >>>             <Selection_009.png>
> >     >>>
> >     >>>             On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 8:34 AM, Oliver Walters
> >     >>>             <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >     >>>             <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
> >     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
> >     >>>
> >     >>>                 On 7 Jan 2018 05:04, "Chris Pavlina"
> >     >>>                 <pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >     >>>                 <mailto:pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx>
> >     <mailto:pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
> >     >>>
> >     >>>                     I wish we had something resembling a policy for
> >     >>>                     icons. It seems like
> >     >>>                     someone always wants to change them. We had
> >     >>>                     decent icons for these
> >     >>>                     _before_, and then someone submitted new ones,
> >     >>>                     and they were accepted
> >     >>>                     because... I don't know? Many of the new icons
> >     >>>                     are really ambiguous and
> >     >>>                     kind of useless. Shouldn't have been merged.
> >     >>>
> >     >>>
> >     >>>                 This is why I'm pushing for *a* change and not *my*
> >     >>>                 change, I remember how the argument went last time,
> >     >>>                 before they were silently merged. 
> >     >>>
> >     >>>                 I also note that there is a lack of consistency
> >     >>>                 between similar icons. e.g. there are many icons
> >     >>>                 which incorporate an arrow but the style/shape
> >     of the
> >     >>>                 arrows varies. 
> >     >>>
> >     >>>                     For the record, I like these proposed ones. They
> >     >>>                     bring back the ability
> >     >>>                     to recognize them at a glance.
> >     >>>
> >     >>>                     On Sat, Jan 06, 2018 at 05:52:49PM +0000,
> >     >>>                     kristoffer Ödmark wrote:
> >     >>>                     > I would love to see improved icons, I still
> >     >>>                     never get used to them so i read
> >     >>>                     > the tooltip, newer know which one is pcb and
> >     >>>                     which one is module editor.
> >     >>>                     >
> >     >>>                     > Luckily most of the time I only need to double
> >     >>>                     click the kicad_pcb file
> >     >>>                     > anyway :)
> >     >>>                     >
> >     >>>                     >
> >     >>>                     > On 2018-01-06 15:08, Nick Østergaard wrote:
> >     >>>                     > > 2018-01-06 14:15 GMT+01:00 Jeff Young
> >     >>>                     <jeff@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >     <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> >     >>>                     > > <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>
> >     <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>> <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>
> >     <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>:
> >     >>>                     > >
> >     >>>                     > >     +1
> >     >>>                     > >
> >     >>>                     > >     And I like Oliver’s proposed icons.  I’d
> >     >>>                     suggest two further
> >     >>>                     > >     changes though:
> >     >>>                     > >
> >     >>>                     > >     1) The schematic icon (which Oliver
> >     >>>                     didn’t change) should really
> >     >>>                     > >     use the default colours (dark red
> >     >>>                     symbols, green wires).  Then
> >     >>>                     > >     there’s a stronger tie-in with the
> >     >>>                     libedit icon.
> >     >>>                     > >
> >     >>>                     > >     2) I think I’d drop the dimensions from
> >     >>>                     the modedit icon, and
> >     >>>                     > >     change the pad colour to the default
> >     >>>                     (yellow).
> >     >>>                     > >
> >     >>>                     > >
> >     >>>                     > > The default pad color is not yellow, that is
> >     >>>                     only what you see for THT
> >     >>>                     > > pads. Default pad color is green for bottom
> >     >>>                     and red for top copper
> >     >>>                     > >
> >     >>>                     > >
> >     >>>                     > >     3) Projects should use the current New
> >     >>>                     Project icon, rather than
> >     >>>                     > >     the application icon.
> >     >>>                     > >
> >     >>>                     > >
> >     >>>                     > > I have considered to submit a patch for this
> >     >>>                     for some time, but I guess
> >     >>>                     > > it is an appropiate time to do this with a
> >     >>>                     major version bump.
> >     >>>                     > >
> >     >>>                     > >
> >     >>>                     > >     4) Both the New Project and New Project
> >     >>>                     from Template icons should
> >     >>>                     > >     get yellow “new” star.
> >     >>>                     > >
> >     >>>                     > >     5) New Footprint in modedit also needs
> >     >>>                     the star, and the star on
> >     >>>                     > >     New Symbol in libedit made more
> >     prominent.
> >     >>>                     > >
> >     >>>                     > >     Cheers,
> >     >>>                     > >     Jeff.
> >     >>>                     > >
> >     >>>                     > >
> >     >>>                     > > >     On 6 Jan 2018, at 12:30, Oliver
> >     Walters
> >     >>>                     > > >     <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
> >     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >     >>>                     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
> >     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> >     >>>                     > > >   
> >      <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
> >     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >     >>>                     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
> >     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote:
> >     >>>                     > > >
> >     >>>                     > > >     I think there is a need to tweak the
> >     >>>                     libedit and modedit icons,
> >     >>>                     > > >     as identified below:
> >     >>>                     > > >
> >     >>>                     > > >     <Selection_006.png>
> >     >>>                     > > >
> >     >>>                     > > >     <Selection_007.png>
> >     >>>                     > > >
> >     >>>                     > > >     1. The blue 'textured' background is
> >     >>>                     out of place with the other
> >     >>>                     > > >     icons
> >     >>>                     > > >     2. They are very cluttered and
> >     hard to read
> >     >>>                     > > >     3. Weirdly specific callout of
> >     >>>                     dimensions and part names (out of
> >     >>>                     > > >     character with other icons)
> >     >>>                     > > >
> >     >>>                     > > >     Further, I think that the pcbnew icon
> >     >>>                     could be adjusted slightly
> >     >>>                     > > >     to make it look a bit more like a PCB
> >     >>>                     > > >
> >     >>>                     > > >     Even as someone who uses KiCad on a
> >     >>>                     regular basis I find myself
> >     >>>                     > > >     double checking which icon I am about
> >     >>>                     to click on (and still
> >     >>>                     > > >     getting it wrong half of the time).
> >     >>>                     > > >
> >     >>>                     > > >     Below is a /**suggestion**/ of some
> >     >>>                     improvements. I am not trying
> >     >>>                     > > >     to back my own horse here, I'd be
> >     happy
> >     >>>                     for anyone else to
> >     >>>                     > > >     suggest a better design for any of
> >     >>>                     these. But I feel that
> >     >>>                     > > >     changing these icons would be a good
> >     >>>                     improvement to make before
> >     >>>                     > > >     the v5 release. There have been many
> >     >>>                     people complaining about
> >     >>>                     > > >     these icons in particular, both here
> >     >>>                     and on the user forums.
> >     >>>                     > > >
> >     >>>                     > > >     <Selection_008.png>
> >     >>>                     > > >
> >     >>>                     > > >     Is this a worthwhile endeavor, or are
> >     >>>                     people attached to the
> >     >>>                     > > >     weird blue icons?
> >     >>>                     > > >   
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> >     >>>                     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>
> >     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>>
> >     >>>                     > > Post to     :
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> >     <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> >     >>>                     <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >     <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
> >     >>>                     > > Unsubscribe :
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> >     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>
> >     >>>                     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>
> >     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>>
> >     >>>                     > > More help   :
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> >     >>>                     <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>
> >     <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>>>
> >     >>>                     >
> >     >>>
> >     >>>
> >     >>>                     _______________________________________________
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> >     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>
> >     >>>                     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>
> >     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>>
> >     >>>                     Post to     :
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> >     <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> >     >>>                     <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >     <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
> >     >>>                     Unsubscribe :
> >     >>>                     https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>
> >     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>
> >     >>>                     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>
> >     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>>
> >     >>>                     More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>
> >     <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>>
> >     >>>                     <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>
> >     <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>>>
> >     >>>
> >     >>>
> >     >>>
> >     >>>
> >     >>>             _______________________________________________
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> >     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>
> >     >>>             <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>
> >     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>>
> >     >>>             Post to     : kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >     <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> >     >>>             <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >     <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
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> >     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>
> >     >>>             <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>
> >     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>>
> >     >>>             More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>
> >     <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>>
> >     >>>             <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>
> >     <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>>>
> >     >>>
> >     >>>
> >     >>>         _______________________________________________
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> >     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>
> >     >>>         <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>
> >     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>>
> >     >>>         Post to     : kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >     <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> >     >>>         <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >     <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
> >     >>>         Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>
> >     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>
> >     >>>         <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>
> >     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>>
> >     >>>         More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>
> >     <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>>
> >     >>>         <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>
> >     <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>>>
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >>         _______________________________________________
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> >     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>
> >     >>         <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>
> >     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>>
> >     >>         Post to     : kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >     <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> >     >>         <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >     <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
> >     >>         Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>
> >     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>
> >     >>         <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>
> >     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>>
> >     >>         More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>
> >     <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>>
> >     >>         <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>
> >     <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>>>
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >>     --
> >     >>     Remember The Past, Live The Present, Change The Future
> >     >>     Those who look only to the past or the present are certain to miss
> >     >>     the future [JFK]
> >     >>
> >     >>     kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >     <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> >     >>     Live Long and Prosper,
> >     >>     Andrey
> >     >>     _______________________________________________
> >     >>     Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>
> >     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>
> >     >>     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>
> >     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>>
> >     >>     Post to     : kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >     <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> >     >>     <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >     <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
> >     >>     Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>
> >     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>
> >     >>     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>
> >     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>>
> >     >>     More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>
> >     <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>>
> >     >>     <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>
> >     <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>>>
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > --
> >     > Remember The Past, Live The Present, Change The Future
> >     > Those who look only to the past or the present are certain to miss the
> >     > future [JFK]
> >     >
> >     > kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >     <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> >     > Live Long and Prosper,
> >     > Andrey
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > _______________________________________________
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> >     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>
> >     > Post to     : kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >     <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> >     > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>
> >     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>
> >     > More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>
> >     <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>>
> >     >
> >
> >     _______________________________________________
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> >     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>
> >     Post to     : kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> >     More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>
> >     <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Remember The Past, Live The Present, Change The Future
> > Those who look only to the past or the present are certain to miss the
> > future [JFK]
> >
> > kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > Live Long and Prosper,
> > Andrey
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Post to     : kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>
> More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Remember The Past, Live The Present, Change The Future
> Those who look only to the past or the present are certain to miss the future [JFK]
> 
> kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> Live Long and Prosper,
> Andrey
> _______________________________________________
> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>
> Post to     : kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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