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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons

 

i dislike the arrows on their own too.
https://www.google.com/search?q=file+open+icon&tbm=isch&ei=M9hUWtfCEMicjwSc-ovYCg&start=0&sa=N
looks like a curve arrow in the direction where the book opens, with the
book partially open would be more recognizable. For the "open
symbol/footprint from library" icons the best would probably be to have the
symbol or fp icon come out of an open book.

On Jan 9, 2018 8:53 AM, "Jeff Young" <jeff@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hi Oliver,
>
> Looking good.  More comments:
>
> 1) Go further. ;)  In particular, increase contrast even more by removing
> the fill on the project icons and on the symbol (libedit) and footprint
> (modedit) icons.
>
> 2) Dark red in schematic icon and symbol icon should match.  (The symbol
> icon is closer to the default colour.)
>
> 3) The arrows drive me bonkers.  How about a check-mark superimposed over
> icons to show “Set Active ...”, a superimposed folder for “Open …”, and a
> superimposed disk for “Save…”?  Something along the lines of:
>
>
> only with more artistic talent. ;)
>
> (I suppose you could even have arrows coming out of the folder and going
> into the disk, but that might make them overly busy.)
>
> Cheers,
> Jeff.
>
> On 9 Jan 2018, at 14:25, Oliver Walters <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the feedback everyone, I have increased contrast on the "worst
> icons ever seen" (which for the record I had not yet got around to
> tweaking, these have been hyperbolically terrible for a while now).
>
> Other improvements thus far made:
>
> 1. Further simplification of icons, removal of "shadows", "page curls" and
> other such frivolities
> 2. Consolidation of icons - e.g. there were about 5 different ways of
> drawing "module" and "symbol" icons
> 3. Alignment / color / style issues
> 4. Further work on "modifier" icons to provide better contrast on all
> backgrounds (black border + white border, and better color selection)
>
> Example from the home-screen:
>
> <Selection_013.png>
>
> A larger set of screenshots can be found here - https://imgur.com/a/dm0JQ
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 10:11 PM, Jeff Young <jeff@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> I hadn’t noticed the shadows (there’s one on the modedit icon too), but
>> I’d put them in the same camp as the turned-up corners: adding visual
>> complexity without any cognitive benefit.
>>
>> The *’s are commonly used to mean “new”.  (They should be more of a glint
>> than a star, but that’s difficult in a few pixels.)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jeff.
>>
>>
>> On 9 Jan 2018, at 07:02, Andrey Kuznetsov <kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> Oliver thanks,
>>
>> Here's a couple more comments in addition to Jeff's.
>>
>> 1. I agree with Jeff on the Gerber icon, it's not clear which is which
>> PCB layout vs Gerber.
>> 2. Why are the books different height??? Make red book same height as
>> green book.
>> 3. I don't understand the meaning of the * on the icons.
>> 4. See if making the red book a little more bright red, makes it look
>> better, thanks for changing the yellow book to blue. Try checking if a
>> black shadow around the + sign on the book icon makes it look better
>> instead of the white. Same thing for all the arrows.
>> 5. I agree with Jeff, not sure the complexity of the folded sheet corner
>> is welcomed.
>> 6. Anyone else thinks the shadow under the amplifier for the symbol edit
>> button makes it look weird?
>>
>> I LIKE:
>> 1. The calculator button, I wanted to suggest it, but didn't.
>> 2. The empty worksheet layout button.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Oliver Walters <oliver.henry.walters@
>> gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> What about something like this?
>>>
>>> <Selection_011.png>
>>>
>>> I have also gone through the entire icon set and standardized the
>>> "modifier" icons (save / load / import / export / new / etc) as they all
>>> had different style / shape / color.
>>>
>>> e.g.
>>>
>>> <Selection_012.png>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 7:56 AM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I see some poorly stacked books in these images as well and all of which
>>>> are way to large to be toolbar and menu icons.  As I said, if you can
>>>> pull if off then I'm fine with it.
>>>>
>>>> On 01/07/2018 03:51 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
>>>> > Hi Wayne,
>>>> >
>>>> > The problem I had with the library icon is that there are only 2
>>>> books,
>>>> > and a ruler, that's what it looks like to me, and the 2 books are
>>>> > stacked using a weird tilt angle, usually you'd expect the books to be
>>>> > stacked straight on the left side, and the book on the right to be
>>>> > tilted into the books on the left. It's the opposite in the current
>>>> icon.
>>>> >
>>>> > Plenty of book icons online to draw inspiration from, or even creative
>>>> > commons:
>>>> > https://www.google.com/search?q=library+book+icon
>>>> > <https://www.google.com/search?q=library+book+icon> go to images
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:45 PM, Wayne Stambaugh <
>>>> stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >     My project leader hat is getting a workout today.  Here is what I
>>>> would
>>>> >     like to see:
>>>> >
>>>> >     Revert the libedit and modedit icons without pencils since we are
>>>> doing
>>>> >     away with whole pencil idea.  The original blueprint concept for
>>>> these
>>>> >     icons was clever but they ended up looking a bit busy and didn't
>>>> really
>>>> >     fit in with the rest of our icons.
>>>> >
>>>> >     Remove the magnifying glass from the appropriate icons since it
>>>> is in
>>>> >     the same vein as the pencil.
>>>> >
>>>> >     Use the gerber file file extension (gbr) on the gerbview icon if
>>>> we must
>>>> >     use any text.  I'm still not convinced that this is the best
>>>> solution
>>>> >     but I can't think of a better idea off the top of my head.
>>>> >
>>>> >     Please consider muting the green of the board editor icon.  From
>>>> the
>>>> >     images I've seen the bright green is a bit harsh.  Maybe a
>>>> slightly
>>>> >     darker shade of green would be better.  I've looked a hundreds of
>>>> green
>>>> >     PCBs in my career and I don't ever remember any of them hurting
>>>> my eyes.
>>>> >
>>>> >     As for the library icons, I'm fine with those.  If you stack the
>>>> books
>>>> >     neatly, would they still look like books?  I'm guessing they
>>>> wouldn't
>>>> >     but if someone can come up with an orderly book icon than I'm OK
>>>> >     with that.
>>>> >
>>>> >     Cheers,
>>>> >
>>>> >     Wayne
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >     On 01/07/2018 01:43 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
>>>> >     > I think GBR might be confusing since Gerber has 2 Rs, why not
>>>> GRB, see
>>>> >     > what I mean? I know it's the file extension .gbr, but how many
>>>> new
>>>> >     > people will figure it out easily? I think "Gerb" would be much
>>>> better,
>>>> >     > besides, the older existing icons use LM2902-N, etc in the icon
>>>> and
>>>> >     > that's still readable by me on 1080p with regular DPI, so Gerb
>>>> would
>>>> >     > definitely fit.
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > I think 3-4 letters on the icons would definitely help, like
>>>> Krisoffer
>>>> >     > suggested.
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 1:59 AM, Jeff Young <jeff@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >     > <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     >     +1 to eeschema icon changes
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     >     +1 to reverting libedit and modedit, but with no pencils
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     >     +1 to no magnifying glass  (the drill file, net and BOM
>>>> icons all
>>>> >     >     have three letters on them; I’m sure GBR would fit on the
>>>> gerber icon)
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     >     I still think we need to change the project icon in the
>>>> navigation
>>>> >     >     to something similar to the New Project icons (instead of
>>>> the
>>>> >     >     application icon).
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     >     Kudos to Oliver for spear-heading this.
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     >     Cheers,
>>>> >     >     Jeff.
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     >>     On 7 Jan 2018, at 08:32, Andrey Kuznetsov <
>>>> kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >     >>     <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >     >>
>>>> >     >>     I agree, no pencils, no magnifying glass.
>>>> >     >>
>>>> >     >>     By the way, anyone else thinks the .lib file icons in the
>>>> >     >>     navigation looks weird? If it's meant to look like a few
>>>> stacked
>>>> >     >>     books, why are they tilted in weird directions?
>>>> >     >>
>>>> >     >>     On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:26 AM, Simon Wells <
>>>> swel024@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:swel024@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >     >>     <mailto:swel024@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:swel024@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >     >>
>>>> >     >>         if the modedit/libedit icons are to be reverted then i
>>>> believe
>>>> >     >>         the pencils should be removed, seeing as they were
>>>> used to
>>>> >     >>         portray edit i believe but now that pcbnew/eeschema
>>>> don’t have
>>>> >     >>         them they just seem odd
>>>> >     >>
>>>> >     >>>         On 7/01/2018, at 2:28 PM, Nick Østergaard <
>>>> oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >     >>>         <mailto:oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >     >>>
>>>> >     >>>         I have been intending to revert the annotate icon in
>>>> eeschema
>>>> >     >>>         to the old one, which made much more sense to me
>>>> thatn the
>>>> >     >>>         current one.
>>>> >     >>>
>>>> >     >>>         2018-01-07 1:24 GMT+01:00 Oliver Walters
>>>> >     >>>         <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:
>>>> oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >     >>>         <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> >     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>>:
>>>> >     >>>
>>>> >     >>>             I have attached a patchset which performs the
>>>> following:
>>>> >     >>>
>>>> >     >>>             1. Revert libedit icon to previous version
>>>> >     >>>             2. Revert modedit icon to previous version
>>>> >     >>>             3. Updates pcbnew icon to look more like a PCB
>>>> >     >>>             4. Update colors of eeschema icon
>>>> >     >>>             5. Various (almost imperceptible) tweaks to a
>>>> number of
>>>> >     >>>             icons to fix graphic alignment issues
>>>> >     >>>
>>>> >     >>>             Here is a screenshot of the updated icons:
>>>> >     >>>
>>>> >     >>>
>>>> >     >>>             <Selection_010.png>
>>>> >     >>>
>>>> >     >>>
>>>> >     >>>             <Selection_009.png>
>>>> >     >>>
>>>> >     >>>             On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 8:34 AM, Oliver Walters
>>>> >     >>>             <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:
>>>> oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >     >>>             <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> >     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
>>>> >     >>>
>>>> >     >>>                 On 7 Jan 2018 05:04, "Chris Pavlina"
>>>> >     >>>                 <pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:
>>>> pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >     >>>                 <mailto:pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> >     <mailto:pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
>>>> >     >>>
>>>> >     >>>                     I wish we had something resembling a
>>>> policy for
>>>> >     >>>                     icons. It seems like
>>>> >     >>>                     someone always wants to change them. We
>>>> had
>>>> >     >>>                     decent icons for these
>>>> >     >>>                     _before_, and then someone submitted new
>>>> ones,
>>>> >     >>>                     and they were accepted
>>>> >     >>>                     because... I don't know? Many of the new
>>>> icons
>>>> >     >>>                     are really ambiguous and
>>>> >     >>>                     kind of useless. Shouldn't have been
>>>> merged.
>>>> >     >>>
>>>> >     >>>
>>>> >     >>>                 This is why I'm pushing for *a* change and
>>>> not *my*
>>>> >     >>>                 change, I remember how the argument went last
>>>> time,
>>>> >     >>>                 before they were silently merged.
>>>> >     >>>
>>>> >     >>>                 I also note that there is a lack of
>>>> consistency
>>>> >     >>>                 between similar icons. e.g. there are many
>>>> icons
>>>> >     >>>                 which incorporate an arrow but the style/shape
>>>> >     of the
>>>> >     >>>                 arrows varies.
>>>> >     >>>
>>>> >     >>>                     For the record, I like these proposed
>>>> ones. They
>>>> >     >>>                     bring back the ability
>>>> >     >>>                     to recognize them at a glance.
>>>> >     >>>
>>>> >     >>>                     On Sat, Jan 06, 2018 at 05:52:49PM +0000,
>>>> >     >>>                     kristoffer Ödmark wrote:
>>>> >     >>>                     > I would love to see improved icons, I
>>>> still
>>>> >     >>>                     never get used to them so i read
>>>> >     >>>                     > the tooltip, newer know which one is
>>>> pcb and
>>>> >     >>>                     which one is module editor.
>>>> >     >>>                     >
>>>> >     >>>                     > Luckily most of the time I only need to
>>>> double
>>>> >     >>>                     click the kicad_pcb file
>>>> >     >>>                     > anyway :)
>>>> >     >>>                     >
>>>> >     >>>                     >
>>>> >     >>>                     > On 2018-01-06 15:08, Nick Østergaard
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >     >>>                     > > 2018-01-06 14:15 GMT+01:00 Jeff Young
>>>> >     >>>                     <jeff@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >     <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>> >     >>>                     > > <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> >     <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> >     <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>>>>:
>>>> >     >>>                     > >
>>>> >     >>>                     > >     +1
>>>> >     >>>                     > >
>>>> >     >>>                     > >     And I like Oliver’s proposed
>>>> icons.  I’d
>>>> >     >>>                     suggest two further
>>>> >     >>>                     > >     changes though:
>>>> >     >>>                     > >
>>>> >     >>>                     > >     1) The schematic icon (which
>>>> Oliver
>>>> >     >>>                     didn’t change) should really
>>>> >     >>>                     > >     use the default colours (dark red
>>>> >     >>>                     symbols, green wires).  Then
>>>> >     >>>                     > >     there’s a stronger tie-in with the
>>>> >     >>>                     libedit icon.
>>>> >     >>>                     > >
>>>> >     >>>                     > >     2) I think I’d drop the
>>>> dimensions from
>>>> >     >>>                     the modedit icon, and
>>>> >     >>>                     > >     change the pad colour to the
>>>> default
>>>> >     >>>                     (yellow).
>>>> >     >>>                     > >
>>>> >     >>>                     > >
>>>> >     >>>                     > > The default pad color is not yellow,
>>>> that is
>>>> >     >>>                     only what you see for THT
>>>> >     >>>                     > > pads. Default pad color is green for
>>>> bottom
>>>> >     >>>                     and red for top copper
>>>> >     >>>                     > >
>>>> >     >>>                     > >
>>>> >     >>>                     > >     3) Projects should use the
>>>> current New
>>>> >     >>>                     Project icon, rather than
>>>> >     >>>                     > >     the application icon.
>>>> >     >>>                     > >
>>>> >     >>>                     > >
>>>> >     >>>                     > > I have considered to submit a patch
>>>> for this
>>>> >     >>>                     for some time, but I guess
>>>> >     >>>                     > > it is an appropiate time to do this
>>>> with a
>>>> >     >>>                     major version bump.
>>>> >     >>>                     > >
>>>> >     >>>                     > >
>>>> >     >>>                     > >     4) Both the New Project and New
>>>> Project
>>>> >     >>>                     from Template icons should
>>>> >     >>>                     > >     get yellow “new” star.
>>>> >     >>>                     > >
>>>> >     >>>                     > >     5) New Footprint in modedit also
>>>> needs
>>>> >     >>>                     the star, and the star on
>>>> >     >>>                     > >     New Symbol in libedit made more
>>>> >     prominent.
>>>> >     >>>                     > >
>>>> >     >>>                     > >     Cheers,
>>>> >     >>>                     > >     Jeff.
>>>> >     >>>                     > >
>>>> >     >>>                     > >
>>>> >     >>>                     > > >     On 6 Jan 2018, at 12:30, Oliver
>>>> >     Walters
>>>> >     >>>                     > > >     <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> >     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >     >>>                     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> >     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>> >     >>>                     > > >
>>>> >      <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> >     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >     >>>                     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> >     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
>>>> >     >>>                     > > >
>>>> >     >>>                     > > >     I think there is a need to
>>>> tweak the
>>>> >     >>>                     libedit and modedit icons,
>>>> >     >>>                     > > >     as identified below:
>>>> >     >>>                     > > >
>>>> >     >>>                     > > >     <Selection_006.png>
>>>> >     >>>                     > > >
>>>> >     >>>                     > > >     <Selection_007.png>
>>>> >     >>>                     > > >
>>>> >     >>>                     > > >     1. The blue 'textured'
>>>> background is
>>>> >     >>>                     out of place with the other
>>>> >     >>>                     > > >     icons
>>>> >     >>>                     > > >     2. They are very cluttered and
>>>> >     hard to read
>>>> >     >>>                     > > >     3. Weirdly specific callout of
>>>> >     >>>                     dimensions and part names (out of
>>>> >     >>>                     > > >     character with other icons)
>>>> >     >>>                     > > >
>>>> >     >>>                     > > >     Further, I think that the
>>>> pcbnew icon
>>>> >     >>>                     could be adjusted slightly
>>>> >     >>>                     > > >     to make it look a bit more like
>>>> a PCB
>>>> >     >>>                     > > >
>>>> >     >>>                     > > >     Even as someone who uses KiCad
>>>> on a
>>>> >     >>>                     regular basis I find myself
>>>> >     >>>                     > > >     double checking which icon I am
>>>> about
>>>> >     >>>                     to click on (and still
>>>> >     >>>                     > > >     getting it wrong half of the
>>>> time).
>>>> >     >>>                     > > >
>>>> >     >>>                     > > >     Below is a /**suggestion**/ of
>>>> some
>>>> >     >>>                     improvements. I am not trying
>>>> >     >>>                     > > >     to back my own horse here, I'd
>>>> be
>>>> >     happy
>>>> >     >>>                     for anyone else to
>>>> >     >>>                     > > >     suggest a better design for any
>>>> of
>>>> >     >>>                     these. But I feel that
>>>> >     >>>                     > > >     changing these icons would be a
>>>> good
>>>> >     >>>                     improvement to make before
>>>> >     >>>                     > > >     the v5 release. There have been
>>>> many
>>>> >     >>>                     people complaining about
>>>> >     >>>                     > > >     these icons in particular, both
>>>> here
>>>> >     >>>                     and on the user forums.
>>>> >     >>>                     > > >
>>>> >     >>>                     > > >     <Selection_008.png>
>>>> >     >>>                     > > >
>>>> >     >>>                     > > >     Is this a worthwhile endeavor,
>>>> or are
>>>> >     >>>                     people attached to the
>>>> >     >>>                     > > >     weird blue icons?
>>>> >     >>>                     > > >
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>>>> >     <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>>
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>>>> >     >>         _______________________________________________
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>>>> >     >>
>>>> >     >>
>>>> >     >>
>>>> >     >>
>>>> >     >>     --
>>>> >     >>     Remember The Past, Live The Present, Change The Future
>>>> >     >>     Those who look only to the past or the present are certain
>>>> to miss
>>>> >     >>     the future [JFK]
>>>> >     >>
>>>> >     >>     kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >     <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>> >     >>     Live Long and Prosper,
>>>> >     >>     Andrey
>>>> >     >>     _______________________________________________
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>>>> >     >>     Post to     : kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>>>> >     >>     More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
>>>> >     <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>
>>>> >     >>     <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
>>>> >     <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>>
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > --
>>>> >     > Remember The Past, Live The Present, Change The Future
>>>> >     > Those who look only to the past or the present are certain to
>>>> miss the
>>>> >     > future [JFK]
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >     <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>> >     > Live Long and Prosper,
>>>> >     > Andrey
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > _______________________________________________
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>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > Remember The Past, Live The Present, Change The Future
>>>> > Those who look only to the past or the present are certain to miss the
>>>> > future [JFK]
>>>> >
>>>> > kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> > Live Long and Prosper,
>>>> > Andrey
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Remember The Past, Live The Present, Change The Future
>> Those who look only to the past or the present are certain to miss the
>> future [JFK]
>>
>> kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>> Live Long and Prosper,
>> Andrey
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>
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