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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons

 

I'm with Jose on the arrows.  If we are going to use them, please don't
make the all different colors.  I don't see how a blue left arrow versus
a magenta right arrow conveys any meaning to the user.

On 1/9/2018 10:01 AM, José Ignacio wrote:
> i dislike the arrows on their own
> too. https://www.google.com/search?q=file+open+icon&tbm=isch&ei=M9hUWtfCEMicjwSc-ovYCg&start=0&sa=N
> looks like a curve arrow in the direction where the book opens, with the
> book partially open would be more recognizable. For the "open
> symbol/footprint from library" icons the best would probably be to have
> the symbol or fp icon come out of an open book.
> 
> On Jan 9, 2018 8:53 AM, "Jeff Young" <jeff@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> 
>     Hi Oliver,
> 
>     Looking good.  More comments:
> 
>     1) Go further. ;)  In particular, increase contrast even more by
>     removing the fill on the project icons and on the symbol (libedit)
>     and footprint (modedit) icons.
> 
>     2) Dark red in schematic icon and symbol icon should match.  (The
>     symbol icon is closer to the default colour.)
> 
>     3) The arrows drive me bonkers.  How about a check-mark superimposed
>     over icons to show “Set Active ...”, a superimposed folder for “Open
>     …”, and a superimposed disk for “Save…”?  Something along the lines of:
> 
> 
>     only with more artistic talent. ;)
> 
>     (I suppose you could even have arrows coming out of the folder and
>     going into the disk, but that might make them overly busy.)
> 
>     Cheers,
>     Jeff.
> 
>>     On 9 Jan 2018, at 14:25, Oliver Walters
>>     <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>>     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>
>>     Thanks for the feedback everyone, I have increased contrast on the
>>     "worst icons ever seen" (which for the record I had not yet got
>>     around to tweaking, these have been hyperbolically terrible for a
>>     while now).
>>
>>     Other improvements thus far made:
>>
>>     1. Further simplification of icons, removal of "shadows", "page
>>     curls" and other such frivolities
>>     2. Consolidation of icons - e.g. there were about 5 different ways
>>     of drawing "module" and "symbol" icons
>>     3. Alignment / color / style issues
>>     4. Further work on "modifier" icons to provide better contrast on
>>     all backgrounds (black border + white border, and better color
>>     selection)
>>
>>     Example from the home-screen:
>>
>>     <Selection_013.png>
>>
>>     A larger set of screenshots can be found here -
>>     https://imgur.com/a/dm0JQ
>>
>>     Cheers,
>>
>>
>>     On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 10:11 PM, Jeff Young <jeff@xxxxxxxxx
>>     <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>
>>         I hadn’t noticed the shadows (there’s one on the modedit icon
>>         too), but I’d put them in the same camp as the turned-up
>>         corners: adding visual complexity without any cognitive benefit.
>>
>>         The *’s are commonly used to mean “new”.  (They should be more
>>         of a glint than a star, but that’s difficult in a few pixels.)
>>
>>         Cheers,
>>         Jeff.
>>
>>
>>>         On 9 Jan 2018, at 07:02, Andrey Kuznetsov
>>>         <kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         Oliver thanks,
>>>
>>>         Here's a couple more comments in addition to Jeff's.
>>>
>>>         1. I agree with Jeff on the Gerber icon, it's not clear which
>>>         is which PCB layout vs Gerber.
>>>         2. Why are the books different height??? Make red book same
>>>         height as green book.
>>>         3. I don't understand the meaning of the * on the icons.
>>>         4. See if making the red book a little more bright red, makes
>>>         it look better, thanks for changing the yellow book to blue.
>>>         Try checking if a black shadow around the + sign on the book
>>>         icon makes it look better instead of the white. Same thing
>>>         for all the arrows.
>>>         5. I agree with Jeff, not sure the complexity of the folded
>>>         sheet corner is welcomed.
>>>         6. Anyone else thinks the shadow under the amplifier for the
>>>         symbol edit button makes it look weird?
>>>
>>>         I LIKE:
>>>         1. The calculator button, I wanted to suggest it, but didn't.
>>>         2. The empty worksheet layout button.
>>>
>>>         On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Oliver
>>>         Walters <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>>>         <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>
>>>             What about something like this?
>>>
>>>             <Selection_011.png>
>>>
>>>             I have also gone through the entire icon set and
>>>             standardized the "modifier" icons (save / load / import /
>>>             export / new / etc) as they all had different style /
>>>             shape / color.
>>>
>>>             e.g.
>>>
>>>             <Selection_012.png>
>>>
>>>             On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 7:56 AM, Wayne
>>>             Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
>>>             <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                 I see some poorly stacked books in these images as
>>>                 well and all of which
>>>                 are way to large to be toolbar and menu icons.  As I
>>>                 said, if you can
>>>                 pull if off then I'm fine with it.
>>>
>>>                 On 01/07/2018 03:51 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
>>>                 > Hi Wayne,
>>>                 >
>>>                 > The problem I had with the library icon is that there are only 2 books,
>>>                 > and a ruler, that's what it looks like to me, and the 2 books are
>>>                 > stacked using a weird tilt angle, usually you'd expect the books to be
>>>                 > stacked straight on the left side, and the book on the right to be
>>>                 > tilted into the books on the left. It's the opposite in the current icon.
>>>                 >
>>>                 > Plenty of book icons online to draw inspiration from, or even creative
>>>                 > commons:
>>>                 > https://www.google.com/search?q=library+book+icon
>>>                 <https://www.google.com/search?q=library+book+icon>
>>>                 > <https://www.google.com/search?q=library+book+icon
>>>                 <https://www.google.com/search?q=library+book+icon>>
>>>                 go to images
>>>                 >
>>>                 > On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:45 PM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>                 > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
>>>                 >
>>>                 >     My project leader hat is getting a workout
>>>                 today.  Here is what I would
>>>                 >     like to see:
>>>                 >
>>>                 >     Revert the libedit and modedit icons without
>>>                 pencils since we are doing
>>>                 >     away with whole pencil idea.  The original
>>>                 blueprint concept for these
>>>                 >     icons was clever but they ended up looking a
>>>                 bit busy and didn't really
>>>                 >     fit in with the rest of our icons.
>>>                 >
>>>                 >     Remove the magnifying glass from the
>>>                 appropriate icons since it is in
>>>                 >     the same vein as the pencil.
>>>                 >
>>>                 >     Use the gerber file file extension (gbr) on the
>>>                 gerbview icon if we must
>>>                 >     use any text.  I'm still not convinced that
>>>                 this is the best solution
>>>                 >     but I can't think of a better idea off the top
>>>                 of my head.
>>>                 >
>>>                 >     Please consider muting the green of the board
>>>                 editor icon.  From the
>>>                 >     images I've seen the bright green is a bit
>>>                 harsh.  Maybe a slightly
>>>                 >     darker shade of green would be better.  I've
>>>                 looked a hundreds of green
>>>                 >     PCBs in my career and I don't ever remember any
>>>                 of them hurting my eyes.
>>>                 >
>>>                 >     As for the library icons, I'm fine with those. 
>>>                 If you stack the books
>>>                 >     neatly, would they still look like books?  I'm
>>>                 guessing they wouldn't
>>>                 >     but if someone can come up with an orderly book
>>>                 icon than I'm OK
>>>                 >     with that.
>>>                 >
>>>                 >     Cheers,
>>>                 >
>>>                 >     Wayne
>>>                 >
>>>                 >
>>>                 >     On 01/07/2018 01:43 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
>>>                 >     > I think GBR might be confusing since Gerber
>>>                 has 2 Rs, why not GRB, see
>>>                 >     > what I mean? I know it's the file extension
>>>                 .gbr, but how many new
>>>                 >     > people will figure it out easily? I think
>>>                 "Gerb" would be much better,
>>>                 >     > besides, the older existing icons use
>>>                 LM2902-N, etc in the icon and
>>>                 >     > that's still readable by me on 1080p with
>>>                 regular DPI, so Gerb would
>>>                 >     > definitely fit.
>>>                 >     >
>>>                 >     > I think 3-4 letters on the icons would
>>>                 definitely help, like Krisoffer
>>>                 >     > suggested.
>>>                 >     >
>>>                 >     > On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 1:59 AM, Jeff Young
>>>                 <jeff@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>                 >     > <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
>>>                 >     >
>>>                 >     >     +1 to eeschema icon changes
>>>                 >     >
>>>                 >     >     +1 to reverting libedit and modedit, but with no pencils
>>>                 >     >
>>>                 >     >     +1 to no magnifying glass  (the drill file, net and BOM icons all
>>>                 >     >     have three letters on them; I’m sure GBR would fit on the gerber icon)
>>>                 >     >
>>>                 >     >     I still think we need to change the project icon in the navigation
>>>                 >     >     to something similar to the New Project icons (instead of the
>>>                 >     >     application icon).
>>>                 >     >
>>>                 >     >     Kudos to Oliver for spear-heading this.
>>>                 >     >
>>>                 >     >     Cheers,
>>>                 >     >     Jeff.
>>>                 >     >
>>>                 >     >
>>>                 >     >>     On 7 Jan 2018, at 08:32, Andrey Kuznetsov <kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>                 >     >>     <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
>>>                 >     >>
>>>                 >     >>     I agree, no pencils, no magnifying glass.
>>>                 >     >>
>>>                 >     >>     By the way, anyone else thinks the .lib file icons in the
>>>                 >     >>     navigation looks weird? If it's meant to look like a few stacked
>>>                 >     >>     books, why are they tilted in weird directions?
>>>                 >     >>
>>>                 >     >>     On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:26 AM, Simon Wells <swel024@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:swel024@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:swel024@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:swel024@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>                 >     >>     <mailto:swel024@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:swel024@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:swel024@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:swel024@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
>>>                 >     >>
>>>                 >     >>         if the modedit/libedit icons are to be reverted then i believe
>>>                 >     >>         the pencils should be removed, seeing as they were used to
>>>                 >     >>         portray edit i believe but now that pcbnew/eeschema don’t have
>>>                 >     >>         them they just seem odd
>>>                 >     >>
>>>                 >     >>>         On 7/01/2018, at 2:28 PM, Nick Østergaard <oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>                 >     >>>         <mailto:oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
>>>                 >     >>>
>>>                 >     >>>         I have been intending to revert the annotate icon in eeschema
>>>                 >     >>>         to the old one, which made much more sense to me thatn the
>>>                 >     >>>         current one.
>>>                 >     >>>
>>>                 >     >>>         2018-01-07 1:24 GMT+01:00 Oliver Walters
>>>                 >     >>>         <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>                 >     >>>       
>>>                  <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>                 >     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>>>:
>>>                 >     >>>
>>>                 >     >>>             I have attached a patchset which performs the following:
>>>                 >     >>>
>>>                 >     >>>             1. Revert libedit icon to previous version
>>>                 >     >>>             2. Revert modedit icon to previous version
>>>                 >     >>>             3. Updates pcbnew icon to look more like a PCB
>>>                 >     >>>             4. Update colors of eeschema icon
>>>                 >     >>>             5. Various (almost imperceptible) tweaks to a number of
>>>                 >     >>>             icons to fix graphic alignment issues
>>>                 >     >>>
>>>                 >     >>>             Here is a screenshot of the updated icons:
>>>                 >     >>>
>>>                 >     >>>
>>>                 >     >>>             <Selection_010.png>
>>>                 >     >>>
>>>                 >     >>>
>>>                 >     >>>             <Selection_009.png>
>>>                 >     >>>
>>>                 >     >>>             On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 8:34 AM, Oliver Walters
>>>                 >     >>>             <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>                 >     >>>             <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>                 >     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
>>>                 >     >>>
>>>                 >     >>>                 On 7 Jan 2018 05:04, "Chris Pavlina"
>>>                 >     >>>                 <pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>                 >     >>>               
>>>                  <mailto:pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>                 >     <mailto:pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
>>>                 >     >>>
>>>                 >     >>>                     I wish we had something
>>>                 resembling a policy for
>>>                 >     >>>                     icons. It seems like
>>>                 >     >>>                     someone always wants to
>>>                 change them. We had
>>>                 >     >>>                     decent icons for these
>>>                 >     >>>                     _before_, and then
>>>                 someone submitted new ones,
>>>                 >     >>>                     and they were accepted
>>>                 >     >>>                     because... I don't
>>>                 know? Many of the new icons
>>>                 >     >>>                     are really ambiguous and
>>>                 >     >>>                     kind of useless.
>>>                 Shouldn't have been merged.
>>>                 >     >>>
>>>                 >     >>>
>>>                 >     >>>                 This is why I'm pushing for
>>>                 *a* change and not *my*
>>>                 >     >>>                 change, I remember how the
>>>                 argument went last time,
>>>                 >     >>>                 before they were silently
>>>                 merged. 
>>>                 >     >>>
>>>                 >     >>>                 I also note that there is a
>>>                 lack of consistency
>>>                 >     >>>                 between similar icons. e.g.
>>>                 there are many icons
>>>                 >     >>>                 which incorporate an arrow
>>>                 but the style/shape
>>>                 >     of the
>>>                 >     >>>                 arrows varies. 
>>>                 >     >>>
>>>                 >     >>>                     For the record, I like
>>>                 these proposed ones. They
>>>                 >     >>>                     bring back the ability
>>>                 >     >>>                     to recognize them at a
>>>                 glance.
>>>                 >     >>>
>>>                 >     >>>                     On Sat, Jan 06, 2018 at
>>>                 05:52:49PM +0000,
>>>                 >     >>>                     kristoffer Ödmark wrote:
>>>                 >     >>>                     > I would love to see
>>>                 improved icons, I still
>>>                 >     >>>                     never get used to them
>>>                 so i read
>>>                 >     >>>                     > the tooltip, newer
>>>                 know which one is pcb and
>>>                 >     >>>                     which one is module editor.
>>>                 >     >>>                     >
>>>                 >     >>>                     > Luckily most of the
>>>                 time I only need to double
>>>                 >     >>>                     click the kicad_pcb file
>>>                 >     >>>                     > anyway :)
>>>                 >     >>>                     >
>>>                 >     >>>                     >
>>>                 >     >>>                     > On 2018-01-06 15:08,
>>>                 Nick Østergaard wrote:
>>>                 >     >>>                     > > 2018-01-06 14:15
>>>                 GMT+01:00 Jeff Young
>>>                 >     >>>                     <jeff@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>                 >     <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>>>                 >     >>>                     > >
>>>                 <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>                 >     <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>                 <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>                 >     <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>:
>>>                 >     >>>                     > >
>>>                 >     >>>                     > >     +1
>>>                 >     >>>                     > >
>>>                 >     >>>                     > >     And I like
>>>                 Oliver’s proposed icons.  I’d
>>>                 >     >>>                     suggest two further
>>>                 >     >>>                     > >     changes though:
>>>                 >     >>>                     > >
>>>                 >     >>>                     > >     1) The
>>>                 schematic icon (which Oliver
>>>                 >     >>>                     didn’t change) should
>>>                 really
>>>                 >     >>>                     > >     use the default
>>>                 colours (dark red
>>>                 >     >>>                     symbols, green wires). 
>>>                 Then
>>>                 >     >>>                     > >     there’s a
>>>                 stronger tie-in with the
>>>                 >     >>>                     libedit icon.
>>>                 >     >>>                     > >
>>>                 >     >>>                     > >     2) I think I’d
>>>                 drop the dimensions from
>>>                 >     >>>                     the modedit icon, and
>>>                 >     >>>                     > >     change the pad
>>>                 colour to the default
>>>                 >     >>>                     (yellow).
>>>                 >     >>>                     > >
>>>                 >     >>>                     > >
>>>                 >     >>>                     > > The default pad
>>>                 color is not yellow, that is
>>>                 >     >>>                     only what you see for THT
>>>                 >     >>>                     > > pads. Default pad
>>>                 color is green for bottom
>>>                 >     >>>                     and red for top copper
>>>                 >     >>>                     > >
>>>                 >     >>>                     > >
>>>                 >     >>>                     > >     3) Projects
>>>                 should use the current New
>>>                 >     >>>                     Project icon, rather than
>>>                 >     >>>                     > >     the application
>>>                 icon.
>>>                 >     >>>                     > >
>>>                 >     >>>                     > >
>>>                 >     >>>                     > > I have considered
>>>                 to submit a patch for this
>>>                 >     >>>                     for some time, but I guess
>>>                 >     >>>                     > > it is an appropiate
>>>                 time to do this with a
>>>                 >     >>>                     major version bump.
>>>                 >     >>>                     > >
>>>                 >     >>>                     > >
>>>                 >     >>>                     > >     4) Both the New
>>>                 Project and New Project
>>>                 >     >>>                     from Template icons should
>>>                 >     >>>                     > >     get yellow
>>>                 “new” star.
>>>                 >     >>>                     > >
>>>                 >     >>>                     > >     5) New
>>>                 Footprint in modedit also needs
>>>                 >     >>>                     the star, and the star on
>>>                 >     >>>                     > >     New Symbol in
>>>                 libedit made more
>>>                 >     prominent.
>>>                 >     >>>                     > >
>>>                 >     >>>                     > >     Cheers,
>>>                 >     >>>                     > >     Jeff.
>>>                 >     >>>                     > >
>>>                 >     >>>                     > >
>>>                 >     >>>                     > > >     On 6 Jan
>>>                 2018, at 12:30, Oliver
>>>                 >     Walters
>>>                 >     >>>                     > > >   
>>>                  <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>                 >     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>                 >     >>>                   
>>>                  <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>                 >     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>>>                 >     >>>                     > > >   
>>>                 >      <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>                 >     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>                 >     >>>                   
>>>                  <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>                 >     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote:
>>>                 >     >>>                     > > >
>>>                 >     >>>                     > > >     I think there
>>>                 is a need to tweak the
>>>                 >     >>>                     libedit and modedit icons,
>>>                 >     >>>                     > > >     as identified
>>>                 below:
>>>                 >     >>>                     > > >
>>>                 >     >>>                     > > >   
>>>                  <Selection_006.png>
>>>                 >     >>>                     > > >
>>>                 >     >>>                     > > >   
>>>                  <Selection_007.png>
>>>                 >     >>>                     > > >
>>>                 >     >>>                     > > >     1. The blue
>>>                 'textured' background is
>>>                 >     >>>                     out of place with the other
>>>                 >     >>>                     > > >     icons
>>>                 >     >>>                     > > >     2. They are
>>>                 very cluttered and
>>>                 >     hard to read
>>>                 >     >>>                     > > >     3. Weirdly
>>>                 specific callout of
>>>                 >     >>>                     dimensions and part
>>>                 names (out of
>>>                 >     >>>                     > > >     character
>>>                 with other icons)
>>>                 >     >>>                     > > >
>>>                 >     >>>                     > > >     Further, I
>>>                 think that the pcbnew icon
>>>                 >     >>>                     could be adjusted slightly
>>>                 >     >>>                     > > >     to make it
>>>                 look a bit more like a PCB
>>>                 >     >>>                     > > >
>>>                 >     >>>                     > > >     Even as
>>>                 someone who uses KiCad on a
>>>                 >     >>>                     regular basis I find myself
>>>                 >     >>>                     > > >     double
>>>                 checking which icon I am about
>>>                 >     >>>                     to click on (and still
>>>                 >     >>>                     > > >     getting it
>>>                 wrong half of the time).
>>>                 >     >>>                     > > >
>>>                 >     >>>                     > > >     Below is a
>>>                 /**suggestion**/ of some
>>>                 >     >>>                     improvements. I am not
>>>                 trying
>>>                 >     >>>                     > > >     to back my
>>>                 own horse here, I'd be
>>>                 >     happy
>>>                 >     >>>                     for anyone else to
>>>                 >     >>>                     > > >     suggest a
>>>                 better design for any of
>>>                 >     >>>                     these. But I feel that
>>>                 >     >>>                     > > >     changing
>>>                 these icons would be a good
>>>                 >     >>>                     improvement to make before
>>>                 >     >>>                     > > >     the v5
>>>                 release. There have been many
>>>                 >     >>>                     people complaining about
>>>                 >     >>>                     > > >     these icons
>>>                 in particular, both here
>>>                 >     >>>                     and on the user forums.
>>>                 >     >>>                     > > >
>>>                 >     >>>                     > > >   
>>>                  <Selection_008.png>
>>>                 >     >>>                     > > >
>>>                 >     >>>                     > > >     Is this a
>>>                 worthwhile endeavor, or are
>>>                 >     >>>                     people attached to the
>>>                 >     >>>                     > > >     weird blue icons?
>>>                 >     >>>                     > > >   
>>>                 >     >>>                   
>>>                   _______________________________________________
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>>>                 >     >>>                   
>>>                   _______________________________________________
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>>>                 >     <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>>>                 _______________________________________________
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>>>                 >     >>>                     _______________________________________________
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>>>                 <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>
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>>>                 <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
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>>>                 >     >>>             _______________________________________________
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>>>                 >     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers
>>>                 <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>>
>>>                 >     >>>             More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
>>>                 <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>
>>>                 >     <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
>>>                 <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>>
>>>                 >     >>>             <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
>>>                 <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>
>>>                 >     <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
>>>                 <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>>>
>>>                 >     >>>
>>>                 >     >>>
>>>                 >     >>>         _______________________________________________
>>>                 >     >>>         Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers
>>>                 <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>
>>>                 >     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers
>>>                 <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>
>>>                 >     >>>         <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers
>>>                 <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>
>>>                 >     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers
>>>                 <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>>
>>>                 >     >>>         Post to     : kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>                 >     <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>>>                 >     >>>         <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>                 >     <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>>>                 >     >>>         Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers
>>>                 <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>
>>>                 >     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers
>>>                 <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>
>>>                 >     >>>         <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers
>>>                 <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>
>>>                 >     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers
>>>                 <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>>
>>>                 >     >>>         More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
>>>                 <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>
>>>                 >     <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
>>>                 <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>>
>>>                 >     >>>         <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
>>>                 <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>
>>>                 >     <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
>>>                 <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>>>
>>>                 >     >>
>>>                 >     >>
>>>                 >     >>         _______________________________________________
>>>                 >     >>         Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers
>>>                 <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>
>>>                 >     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers
>>>                 <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>
>>>                 >     >>         <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers
>>>                 <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>
>>>                 >     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers
>>>                 <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>>
>>>                 >     >>         Post to     : kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>                 >     <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>>>                 >     >>         <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>                 >     <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>>>                 >     >>         Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers
>>>                 <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>
>>>                 >     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers
>>>                 <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>
>>>                 >     >>         <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers
>>>                 <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>
>>>                 >     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers
>>>                 <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>>
>>>                 >     >>         More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
>>>                 <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>
>>>                 >     <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
>>>                 <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>>
>>>                 >     >>         <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
>>>                 <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>
>>>                 >     <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
>>>                 <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>>>
>>>                 >     >>
>>>                 >     >>
>>>                 >     >>
>>>                 >     >>
>>>                 >     >>     --
>>>                 >     >>     Remember The Past, Live The Present, Change The Future
>>>                 >     >>     Those who look only to the past or the present are certain to miss
>>>                 >     >>     the future [JFK]
>>>                 >     >>
>>>                 >     >>     kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>                 >     <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>>>                 >     >>     Live Long and Prosper,
>>>                 >     >>     Andrey
>>>                 >     >>     _______________________________________________
>>>                 >     >>     Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers
>>>                 <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>
>>>                 >     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers
>>>                 <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>
>>>                 >     >>     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers
>>>                 <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>
>>>                 >     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers
>>>                 <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>>
>>>                 >     >>     Post to     : kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>                 >     <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>>>                 >     >>     <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>                 >     <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>>>                 >     >>     Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers
>>>                 <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>
>>>                 >     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers
>>>                 <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>
>>>                 >     >>     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers
>>>                 <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>
>>>                 >     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers
>>>                 <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>>
>>>                 >     >>     More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
>>>                 <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>
>>>                 >     <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
>>>                 <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>>
>>>                 >     >>     <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
>>>                 <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>
>>>                 >     <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
>>>                 <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>>>
>>>                 >     >
>>>                 >     >
>>>                 >     >
>>>                 >     >
>>>                 >     > --
>>>                 >     > Remember The Past, Live The Present, Change The Future
>>>                 >     > Those who look only to the past or the present are certain to miss the
>>>                 >     > future [JFK]
>>>                 >     >
>>>                 >     > kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>                 >     <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>>>                 >     > Live Long and Prosper,
>>>                 >     > Andrey
>>>                 >     >
>>>                 >     >
>>>                 >     > _______________________________________________
>>>                 >     > Mailing
>>>                 list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers
>>>                 <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>
>>>                 >     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers
>>>                 <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>
>>>                 >     > Post to   
>>>                  : kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>                 >     <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>>>                 >     > Unsubscribe
>>>                 : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers
>>>                 <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>
>>>                 >     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers
>>>                 <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>
>>>                 >     > More help 
>>>                  : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
>>>                 <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>
>>>                 >     <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
>>>                 <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>>
>>>                 >     >
>>>                 >
>>>                 >     _______________________________________________
>>>                 >     Mailing
>>>                 list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers
>>>                 <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>
>>>                 >     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers
>>>                 <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>
>>>                 >     Post to   
>>>                  : kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>                 >     <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>>>                 >     Unsubscribe
>>>                 : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers
>>>                 <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>
>>>                 >     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers
>>>                 <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>
>>>                 >     More help 
>>>                  : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
>>>                 <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>
>>>                 >     <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
>>>                 <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>>
>>>                 >
>>>                 >
>>>                 >
>>>                 >
>>>                 > --
>>>                 > Remember The Past, Live The Present, Change The Future
>>>                 > Those who look only to the past or the present are
>>>                 certain to miss the
>>>                 > future [JFK]
>>>                 >
>>>                 > kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>                 > Live Long and Prosper,
>>>                 > Andrey
>>>
>>>                 _______________________________________________
>>>                 Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers
>>>                 <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>
>>>                 Post to     : kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>                 <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>                 Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers
>>>                 <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>
>>>                 More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
>>>                 <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         -- 
>>>         Remember The Past, Live The Present, Change The Future
>>>         Those who look only to the past or the present are certain to
>>>         miss the future [JFK]
>>>
>>>         kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>         Live Long and Prosper,
>>>         Andrey
>>>         _______________________________________________
> 
>     _______________________________________________
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>     Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers
>     <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>
>     More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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> 
>     ...
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