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[Oliver Walters <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>]

Wayne,

Here is the outcome of removing the save / load arrows and replacing with
standard load / save icons.

I have also further tweaked the main icons as per suggestions.

Screenshots here:

https://imgur.com/a/DzZhZ

This is about as far as I want to go with this, please let me know if there
are any outstanding issues that prevent me from submitting a patch.

Thanks,
Oliver

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:09 AM, Oliver Walters <
oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Ok, that's good to hear. I will take another look at the Gerber icons and
> otherwise see if anyone can suggest some simple clean replacements for the
> arrows. If not, I'll push a patch.
>
> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:05 AM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>> One good thing about bitmaps is they are low risk (other than the
>> complaining that will surely ensue) so we can merge them just about any
>> time.  I don't want to wait too long so our doc images can be updated to
>> reflect the changes so if we cannot come up with better alternatives to
>> replace the arrows, I'm OK with leaving them as is and pushing it off
>> until v6.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>> On 1/9/2018 3:31 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
>> > I think the changes are absolutely good in general, and I’d very much
>> > like to see them get merged.  Not that I have any control over that. ;)
>> >
>> > As for the arrows, I’d still really like to see them go away.  The
>> > colour isn’t the problem, it’s the arrows themselves. ANY of the
>> > alternatives discussed (that don’t include arrows) would be better.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Jeff.
>> >
>> >
>> >> On 9 Jan 2018, at 20:13, Oliver Walters
>> >> <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>> >> <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> The coloured arrows were already in place, all I have done is made
>> >> them all the same "style". In fact, previously concepts like "save"
>> >> and "load" were conveyed both with a downward pointing arrow, and the
>> >> arrow colour was the only point of difference.
>> >>
>> >> I thought I had made an improvement on what was already existing. My
>> >> intent was not to necessarily do a sweeping redesign.
>> >>
>> >> If this is now an additional requirement I can make these not arrows,
>> >> but I'd like some direction on what to do instead. It will be hard to
>> >> fit a more detailed icon.
>> >>
>> >> Other than this, what are your thoughts overall? Is it worth my time
>> >> pursuing this further? Are these changes good in general and can you
>> >> see them being merged?
>> >>
>> >> On 10 Jan 2018 04:44, "Wayne Stambaugh" <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
>> >> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>     On 1/9/2018 12:05 PM, Rene Pöschl wrote:
>> >>     > On 09/01/18 16:50, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
>> >>     >> I'm with Jose on the arrows.  If we are going to use them,
>> >>     please don't
>> >>     >> make the all different colors.  I don't see how a blue left
>> >>     arrow versus
>> >>     >> a magenta right arrow conveys any meaning to the user.
>> >>     >>
>> >>     >
>> >>     > I like the idea of coloring them differently. For me this will
>> >>     give an
>> >>     > additional way to distinguish the buttons. (Some of them have
>> >>     only the
>> >>     > direction of the arrow as a difference. Which is easily
>> >>     overlooked.) I
>> >>     > hope having different colors will make it easier for my brain to
>> >>     > remember which button does what. (I can't tell you how often i
>> >>     clicked
>> >>     > load symbol instead of update symbol while working on the
>> >>     reorganization
>> >>     > of the official lib.)
>> >>
>> >>     What information does the different color arrow convey?  If you are
>> >>     using different colors for contrast, that is one thing but just
>> making
>> >>     them different colors for informational purposes doesn't make any
>> >>     sense
>> >>     to me.  If you are trying convey information with different color
>> >>     buttons, what is the impact on users who are color blind.
>> >>
>> >>     >
>> >>     > Maybe there is a better way to communicate differences but if
>> >>     buttons
>> >>     > look as similar as a lot of them currently do, adding
>> >>     differentiating
>> >>     > colors might help.
>> >>     >
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