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[Nick Østergaard <oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx>]

I think you need to do a side by side comparison with the old and also
showcase it with a dark theme. I would also like to see a summary of why
specific features was changed on the icons.

Otherwise we have not got any further and I think the updates should be
rejected. In seven months or so someone else will propose thirty new icons.

Den 10. jan. 2018 3.13 PM skrev "Oliver Walters" <
oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>:

> Wayne,
>
> Here is the outcome of removing the save / load arrows and replacing with
> standard load / save icons.
>
> I have also further tweaked the main icons as per suggestions.
>
> Screenshots here:
>
> https://imgur.com/a/DzZhZ
>
> This is about as far as I want to go with this, please let me know if
> there are any outstanding issues that prevent me from submitting a patch.
>
> Thanks,
> Oliver
>
> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:09 AM, Oliver Walters <
> oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Ok, that's good to hear. I will take another look at the Gerber icons and
>> otherwise see if anyone can suggest some simple clean replacements for the
>> arrows. If not, I'll push a patch.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:05 AM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> One good thing about bitmaps is they are low risk (other than the
>>> complaining that will surely ensue) so we can merge them just about any
>>> time.  I don't want to wait too long so our doc images can be updated to
>>> reflect the changes so if we cannot come up with better alternatives to
>>> replace the arrows, I'm OK with leaving them as is and pushing it off
>>> until v6.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Wayne
>>>
>>> On 1/9/2018 3:31 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
>>> > I think the changes are absolutely good in general, and I’d very much
>>> > like to see them get merged.  Not that I have any control over that. ;)
>>> >
>>> > As for the arrows, I’d still really like to see them go away.  The
>>> > colour isn’t the problem, it’s the arrows themselves. ANY of the
>>> > alternatives discussed (that don’t include arrows) would be better.
>>> >
>>> > Cheers,
>>> > Jeff.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> On 9 Jan 2018, at 20:13, Oliver Walters
>>> >> <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>>> >> <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> The coloured arrows were already in place, all I have done is made
>>> >> them all the same "style". In fact, previously concepts like "save"
>>> >> and "load" were conveyed both with a downward pointing arrow, and the
>>> >> arrow colour was the only point of difference.
>>> >>
>>> >> I thought I had made an improvement on what was already existing. My
>>> >> intent was not to necessarily do a sweeping redesign.
>>> >>
>>> >> If this is now an additional requirement I can make these not arrows,
>>> >> but I'd like some direction on what to do instead. It will be hard to
>>> >> fit a more detailed icon.
>>> >>
>>> >> Other than this, what are your thoughts overall? Is it worth my time
>>> >> pursuing this further? Are these changes good in general and can you
>>> >> see them being merged?
>>> >>
>>> >> On 10 Jan 2018 04:44, "Wayne Stambaugh" <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
>>> >> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>     On 1/9/2018 12:05 PM, Rene Pöschl wrote:
>>> >>     > On 09/01/18 16:50, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
>>> >>     >> I'm with Jose on the arrows.  If we are going to use them,
>>> >>     please don't
>>> >>     >> make the all different colors.  I don't see how a blue left
>>> >>     arrow versus
>>> >>     >> a magenta right arrow conveys any meaning to the user.
>>> >>     >>
>>> >>     >
>>> >>     > I like the idea of coloring them differently. For me this will
>>> >>     give an
>>> >>     > additional way to distinguish the buttons. (Some of them have
>>> >>     only the
>>> >>     > direction of the arrow as a difference. Which is easily
>>> >>     overlooked.) I
>>> >>     > hope having different colors will make it easier for my brain to
>>> >>     > remember which button does what. (I can't tell you how often i
>>> >>     clicked
>>> >>     > load symbol instead of update symbol while working on the
>>> >>     reorganization
>>> >>     > of the official lib.)
>>> >>
>>> >>     What information does the different color arrow convey?  If you
>>> are
>>> >>     using different colors for contrast, that is one thing but just
>>> making
>>> >>     them different colors for informational purposes doesn't make any
>>> >>     sense
>>> >>     to me.  If you are trying convey information with different color
>>> >>     buttons, what is the impact on users who are color blind.
>>> >>
>>> >>     >
>>> >>     > Maybe there is a better way to communicate differences but if
>>> >>     buttons
>>> >>     > look as similar as a lot of them currently do, adding
>>> >>     differentiating
>>> >>     > colors might help.
>>> >>     >
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