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[Jeff Young <jeff@xxxxxxxxx>]

Splendid!

Although I agree with Kristoffer that the new bitmap2component icon isn’t much help.  Import/Export is the one area where we’ve kept the arrows (which I think is fine).  Given that, the pixelated “a” with an import arrow would be perfect.

FWIW, this is one area where I disagree with Nick.  I did user interface design and software architecture for Adobe for 25 years and in my professional opinion, these icons are a HUGE improvement.

Cheers,
Jeff


> On 10 Jan 2018, at 14:28, Oliver Walters <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the arrows, the diskette and the folder in the repo with the patch, basically if someone wants to create future icons. They could use the same arrows for any kind of export, import, save, inspect or view.
> 
> I have created a set of "common icons" for exactly this purpose :)
>  
> 
> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 1:27 AM, Kristoffer Ödmark <kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> Wow, really nice! Although, the icon for the bitmap2component basically looks like a screenshot symbol to me, or something related to a webcam.
> 
> The old one isnt as polished, but I think it fits better.
> 
> Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the arrows, the diskette and the folder in the repo with the patch, basically if someone wants to create future icons. They could use the same arrows for any kind of export, import, save, inspect or view.
> 
> Basically to help get a icon theme thing going ;)
> 
> 
> 
>  -Kristoffer
> 
> 
> On 01/10/2018 03:13 PM, Oliver Walters wrote:
> Wayne,
> 
> Here is the outcome of removing the save / load arrows and replacing with
> standard load / save icons.
> 
> I have also further tweaked the main icons as per suggestions.
> 
> Screenshots here:
> 
> https://imgur.com/a/DzZhZ <https://imgur.com/a/DzZhZ>
> 
> This is about as far as I want to go with this, please let me know if there
> are any outstanding issues that prevent me from submitting a patch.
> 
> Thanks,
> Oliver
> 
> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:09 AM, Oliver Walters <
> oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> 
> Ok, that's good to hear. I will take another look at the Gerber icons and
> otherwise see if anyone can suggest some simple clean replacements for the
> arrows. If not, I'll push a patch.
> 
> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:05 AM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>
> wrote:
> 
> One good thing about bitmaps is they are low risk (other than the
> complaining that will surely ensue) so we can merge them just about any
> time.  I don't want to wait too long so our doc images can be updated to
> reflect the changes so if we cannot come up with better alternatives to
> replace the arrows, I'm OK with leaving them as is and pushing it off
> until v6.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Wayne
> 
> On 1/9/2018 3:31 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
> I think the changes are absolutely good in general, and I’d very much
> like to see them get merged.  Not that I have any control over that. ;)
> 
> As for the arrows, I’d still really like to see them go away.  The
> colour isn’t the problem, it’s the arrows themselves. ANY of the
> alternatives discussed (that don’t include arrows) would be better.
> 
> Cheers,
> Jeff.
> 
> 
> On 9 Jan 2018, at 20:13, Oliver Walters
> <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
> 
> The coloured arrows were already in place, all I have done is made
> them all the same "style". In fact, previously concepts like "save"
> and "load" were conveyed both with a downward pointing arrow, and the
> arrow colour was the only point of difference.
> 
> I thought I had made an improvement on what was already existing. My
> intent was not to necessarily do a sweeping redesign.
> 
> If this is now an additional requirement I can make these not arrows,
> but I'd like some direction on what to do instead. It will be hard to
> fit a more detailed icon.
> 
> Other than this, what are your thoughts overall? Is it worth my time
> pursuing this further? Are these changes good in general and can you
> see them being merged?
> 
> On 10 Jan 2018 04:44, "Wayne Stambaugh" <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
> 
>      On 1/9/2018 12:05 PM, Rene Pöschl wrote:
>      > On 09/01/18 16:50, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
>      >> I'm with Jose on the arrows.  If we are going to use them,
>      please don't
>      >> make the all different colors.  I don't see how a blue left
>      arrow versus
>      >> a magenta right arrow conveys any meaning to the user.
>      >>
>      >
>      > I like the idea of coloring them differently. For me this will
>      give an
>      > additional way to distinguish the buttons. (Some of them have
>      only the
>      > direction of the arrow as a difference. Which is easily
>      overlooked.) I
>      > hope having different colors will make it easier for my brain to
>      > remember which button does what. (I can't tell you how often i
>      clicked
>      > load symbol instead of update symbol while working on the
>      reorganization
>      > of the official lib.)
> 
>      What information does the different color arrow convey?  If you are
>      using different colors for contrast, that is one thing but just
> making
>      them different colors for informational purposes doesn't make any
>      sense
>      to me.  If you are trying convey information with different color
>      buttons, what is the impact on users who are color blind.
> 
>      >
>      > Maybe there is a better way to communicate differences but if
>      buttons
>      > look as similar as a lot of them currently do, adding
>      differentiating
>      > colors might help.
>      >
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