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[Andrey Kuznetsov <kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>]

I agree on Calculator revert, Bitmap revert, keeping the new GBR icon
(looks really nice).

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 7:47 AM, Kristoffer Ödmark <
kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Practially I would read this as:
>
> Go back to the single calculator icon, instead of the +-= boxes.
> Revert the camera icon to the "a" character, cleanup if wanted but dont
> change concept fundamentally.
>
> Otherwise I went throught the old icons in my current build and checked
> them against the latest email. They are pretty similar, but much more
> polished and coherent, so I think that qualifies as being inside scope.
>
> I like the gerber icon change, but that one, dont know if it is outside
> scope or not.
>
> Wayne did i interpret correctly?
>
>  -Kristoffer
>
>
> On 01/10/2018 03:58 PM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
>
>> I see scope creep happening here.  I thought the original goal was to
>> make some minor tweaks to our existing icons not wholesale replacement
>> of the them.  I don't like the camera either.  I'm not a big fan of the
>> calculator icon.  Both of these icons looks completely out of place with
>> our other icons.  Please keep the scope of these changes in check.  If
>> we want to discuss an entirely new icon theme for v6, that's fine at the
>> appropriate time but not for v5.
>>
>> On 1/10/2018 9:42 AM, Jeff Young wrote:
>>
>>> Splendid!
>>>
>>> Although I agree with Kristoffer that the new bitmap2component icon
>>> isn’t much help.  Import/Export is the one area where we’ve kept the
>>> arrows (which I think is fine).  Given that, the pixelated “a” with an
>>> import arrow would be perfect.
>>>
>>> FWIW, this is one area where I disagree with Nick.  I did user interface
>>> design and software architecture for Adobe for 25 years and in my
>>> professional opinion, these icons are a HUGE improvement.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 14:28, Oliver Walters
>>>> <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>      Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the arrows, the
>>>>      diskette and the folder in the repo with the patch, basically if
>>>>      someone wants to create future icons. They could use the same
>>>>      arrows for any kind of export, import, save, inspect or view.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have created a set of "common icons" for exactly this purpose :)
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 1:27 AM, Kristoffer Ödmark
>>>> <kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>      Wow, really nice! Although, the icon for the bitmap2component
>>>>      basically looks like a screenshot symbol to me, or something
>>>>      related to a webcam.
>>>>
>>>>      The old one isnt as polished, but I think it fits better.
>>>>
>>>>      Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the arrows, the
>>>>      diskette and the folder in the repo with the patch, basically if
>>>>      someone wants to create future icons. They could use the same
>>>>      arrows for any kind of export, import, save, inspect or view.
>>>>
>>>>      Basically to help get a icon theme thing going ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>       -Kristoffer
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      On 01/10/2018 03:13 PM, Oliver Walters wrote:
>>>>
>>>>          Wayne,
>>>>
>>>>          Here is the outcome of removing the save / load arrows and
>>>>          replacing with
>>>>          standard load / save icons.
>>>>
>>>>          I have also further tweaked the main icons as per suggestions.
>>>>
>>>>          Screenshots here:
>>>>
>>>>          https://imgur.com/a/DzZhZ
>>>>
>>>>          This is about as far as I want to go with this, please let me
>>>>          know if there
>>>>          are any outstanding issues that prevent me from submitting a
>>>>          patch.
>>>>
>>>>          Thanks,
>>>>          Oliver
>>>>
>>>>          On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:09 AM, Oliver Walters <
>>>>          oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>          <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>              Ok, that's good to hear. I will take another look at the
>>>>              Gerber icons and
>>>>              otherwise see if anyone can suggest some simple clean
>>>>              replacements for the
>>>>              arrows. If not, I'll push a patch.
>>>>
>>>>              On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:05 AM, Wayne Stambaugh
>>>>              <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>              wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                  One good thing about bitmaps is they are low risk
>>>>                  (other than the
>>>>                  complaining that will surely ensue) so we can merge
>>>>                  them just about any
>>>>                  time.  I don't want to wait too long so our doc images
>>>>                  can be updated to
>>>>                  reflect the changes so if we cannot come up with
>>>>                  better alternatives to
>>>>                  replace the arrows, I'm OK with leaving them as is and
>>>>                  pushing it off
>>>>                  until v6.
>>>>
>>>>                  Cheers,
>>>>
>>>>                  Wayne
>>>>
>>>>                  On 1/9/2018 3:31 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                      I think the changes are absolutely good in
>>>>                      general, and I’d very much
>>>>                      like to see them get merged.  Not that I have any
>>>>                      control over that. ;)
>>>>
>>>>                      As for the arrows, I’d still really like to see
>>>>                      them go away.  The
>>>>                      colour isn’t the problem, it’s the arrows
>>>>                      themselves. ANY of the
>>>>                      alternatives discussed (that don’t include arrows)
>>>>                      would be better.
>>>>
>>>>                      Cheers,
>>>>                      Jeff.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                          On 9 Jan 2018, at 20:13, Oliver Walters
>>>>                          <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>                          <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>                          <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>                          <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                          The coloured arrows were already in place, all
>>>>                          I have done is made
>>>>                          them all the same "style". In fact, previously
>>>>                          concepts like "save"
>>>>                          and "load" were conveyed both with a downward
>>>>                          pointing arrow, and the
>>>>                          arrow colour was the only point of difference.
>>>>
>>>>                          I thought I had made an improvement on what
>>>>                          was already existing. My
>>>>                          intent was not to necessarily do a sweeping
>>>>                          redesign.
>>>>
>>>>                          If this is now an additional requirement I can
>>>>                          make these not arrows,
>>>>                          but I'd like some direction on what to do
>>>>                          instead. It will be hard to
>>>>                          fit a more detailed icon.
>>>>
>>>>                          Other than this, what are your thoughts
>>>>                          overall? Is it worth my time
>>>>                          pursuing this further? Are these changes good
>>>>                          in general and can you
>>>>                          see them being merged?
>>>>
>>>>                          On 10 Jan 2018 04:44, "Wayne Stambaugh"
>>>>                          <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>                          <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>                          <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>                          <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                               On 1/9/2018 12:05 PM, Rene Pöschl wrote:
>>>>                               > On 09/01/18 16:50, Wayne Stambaugh
>>>> wrote:
>>>>                               >> I'm with Jose on the arrows.  If we
>>>>                          are going to use them,
>>>>                               please don't
>>>>                               >> make the all different colors.  I
>>>>                          don't see how a blue left
>>>>                               arrow versus
>>>>                               >> a magenta right arrow conveys any
>>>>                          meaning to the user.
>>>>                               >>
>>>>                               >
>>>>                               > I like the idea of coloring them
>>>>                          differently. For me this will
>>>>                               give an
>>>>                               > additional way to distinguish the
>>>>                          buttons. (Some of them have
>>>>                               only the
>>>>                               > direction of the arrow as a difference.
>>>>                          Which is easily
>>>>                               overlooked.) I
>>>>                               > hope having different colors will make
>>>>                          it easier for my brain to
>>>>                               > remember which button does what. (I
>>>>                          can't tell you how often i
>>>>                               clicked
>>>>                               > load symbol instead of update symbol
>>>>                          while working on the
>>>>                               reorganization
>>>>                               > of the official lib.)
>>>>
>>>>                               What information does the different color
>>>>                          arrow convey?  If you are
>>>>                               using different colors for contrast, that
>>>>                          is one thing but just
>>>>
>>>>                  making
>>>>
>>>>                               them different colors for informational
>>>>                          purposes doesn't make any
>>>>                               sense
>>>>                               to me.  If you are trying convey
>>>>                          information with different color
>>>>                               buttons, what is the impact on users who
>>>>                          are color blind.
>>>>
>>>>                               >
>>>>                               > Maybe there is a better way to
>>>>                          communicate differences but if
>>>>                               buttons
>>>>                               > look as similar as a lot of them
>>>>                          currently do, adding
>>>>                               differentiating
>>>>                               > colors might help.
>>>>                               >
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