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[Oliver Walters <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>]

Wayne,

I have taken further suggestions and final icon set is shown below:

[image: Inline image 1]

The attached patch incorporates all of the icon changes thus far
implemented.

Thanks,
Oliver

On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 1:58 AM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> I see scope creep happening here.  I thought the original goal was to
> make some minor tweaks to our existing icons not wholesale replacement
> of the them.  I don't like the camera either.  I'm not a big fan of the
> calculator icon.  Both of these icons looks completely out of place with
> our other icons.  Please keep the scope of these changes in check.  If
> we want to discuss an entirely new icon theme for v6, that's fine at the
> appropriate time but not for v5.
>
> On 1/10/2018 9:42 AM, Jeff Young wrote:
> > Splendid!
> >
> > Although I agree with Kristoffer that the new bitmap2component icon
> > isn’t much help.  Import/Export is the one area where we’ve kept the
> > arrows (which I think is fine).  Given that, the pixelated “a” with an
> > import arrow would be perfect.
> >
> > FWIW, this is one area where I disagree with Nick.  I did user interface
> > design and software architecture for Adobe for 25 years and in my
> > professional opinion, these icons are a HUGE improvement.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> >> On 10 Jan 2018, at 14:28, Oliver Walters
> >> <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
> >> <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >>
> >>     Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the arrows, the
> >>     diskette and the folder in the repo with the patch, basically if
> >>     someone wants to create future icons. They could use the same
> >>     arrows for any kind of export, import, save, inspect or view.
> >>
> >>
> >> I have created a set of "common icons" for exactly this purpose :)
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 1:27 AM, Kristoffer Ödmark
> >> <kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>     Wow, really nice! Although, the icon for the bitmap2component
> >>     basically looks like a screenshot symbol to me, or something
> >>     related to a webcam.
> >>
> >>     The old one isnt as polished, but I think it fits better.
> >>
> >>     Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the arrows, the
> >>     diskette and the folder in the repo with the patch, basically if
> >>     someone wants to create future icons. They could use the same
> >>     arrows for any kind of export, import, save, inspect or view.
> >>
> >>     Basically to help get a icon theme thing going ;)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>      -Kristoffer
> >>
> >>
> >>     On 01/10/2018 03:13 PM, Oliver Walters wrote:
> >>
> >>         Wayne,
> >>
> >>         Here is the outcome of removing the save / load arrows and
> >>         replacing with
> >>         standard load / save icons.
> >>
> >>         I have also further tweaked the main icons as per suggestions.
> >>
> >>         Screenshots here:
> >>
> >>         https://imgur.com/a/DzZhZ
> >>
> >>         This is about as far as I want to go with this, please let me
> >>         know if there
> >>         are any outstanding issues that prevent me from submitting a
> >>         patch.
> >>
> >>         Thanks,
> >>         Oliver
> >>
> >>         On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:09 AM, Oliver Walters <
> >>         oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
> >>         <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >>
> >>             Ok, that's good to hear. I will take another look at the
> >>             Gerber icons and
> >>             otherwise see if anyone can suggest some simple clean
> >>             replacements for the
> >>             arrows. If not, I'll push a patch.
> >>
> >>             On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:05 AM, Wayne Stambaugh
> >>             <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >>             wrote:
> >>
> >>                 One good thing about bitmaps is they are low risk
> >>                 (other than the
> >>                 complaining that will surely ensue) so we can merge
> >>                 them just about any
> >>                 time.  I don't want to wait too long so our doc images
> >>                 can be updated to
> >>                 reflect the changes so if we cannot come up with
> >>                 better alternatives to
> >>                 replace the arrows, I'm OK with leaving them as is and
> >>                 pushing it off
> >>                 until v6.
> >>
> >>                 Cheers,
> >>
> >>                 Wayne
> >>
> >>                 On 1/9/2018 3:31 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
> >>
> >>                     I think the changes are absolutely good in
> >>                     general, and I’d very much
> >>                     like to see them get merged.  Not that I have any
> >>                     control over that. ;)
> >>
> >>                     As for the arrows, I’d still really like to see
> >>                     them go away.  The
> >>                     colour isn’t the problem, it’s the arrows
> >>                     themselves. ANY of the
> >>                     alternatives discussed (that don’t include arrows)
> >>                     would be better.
> >>
> >>                     Cheers,
> >>                     Jeff.
> >>
> >>
> >>                         On 9 Jan 2018, at 20:13, Oliver Walters
> >>                         <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
> >>                         <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>                         <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
> >>                         <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>                         The coloured arrows were already in place, all
> >>                         I have done is made
> >>                         them all the same "style". In fact, previously
> >>                         concepts like "save"
> >>                         and "load" were conveyed both with a downward
> >>                         pointing arrow, and the
> >>                         arrow colour was the only point of difference.
> >>
> >>                         I thought I had made an improvement on what
> >>                         was already existing. My
> >>                         intent was not to necessarily do a sweeping
> >>                         redesign.
> >>
> >>                         If this is now an additional requirement I can
> >>                         make these not arrows,
> >>                         but I'd like some direction on what to do
> >>                         instead. It will be hard to
> >>                         fit a more detailed icon.
> >>
> >>                         Other than this, what are your thoughts
> >>                         overall? Is it worth my time
> >>                         pursuing this further? Are these changes good
> >>                         in general and can you
> >>                         see them being merged?
> >>
> >>                         On 10 Jan 2018 04:44, "Wayne Stambaugh"
> >>                         <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
> >>                         <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>                         <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
> >>                         <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
> >>
> >>                              On 1/9/2018 12:05 PM, Rene Pöschl wrote:
> >>                              > On 09/01/18 16:50, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
> >>                              >> I'm with Jose on the arrows.  If we
> >>                         are going to use them,
> >>                              please don't
> >>                              >> make the all different colors.  I
> >>                         don't see how a blue left
> >>                              arrow versus
> >>                              >> a magenta right arrow conveys any
> >>                         meaning to the user.
> >>                              >>
> >>                              >
> >>                              > I like the idea of coloring them
> >>                         differently. For me this will
> >>                              give an
> >>                              > additional way to distinguish the
> >>                         buttons. (Some of them have
> >>                              only the
> >>                              > direction of the arrow as a difference.
> >>                         Which is easily
> >>                              overlooked.) I
> >>                              > hope having different colors will make
> >>                         it easier for my brain to
> >>                              > remember which button does what. (I
> >>                         can't tell you how often i
> >>                              clicked
> >>                              > load symbol instead of update symbol
> >>                         while working on the
> >>                              reorganization
> >>                              > of the official lib.)
> >>
> >>                              What information does the different color
> >>                         arrow convey?  If you are
> >>                              using different colors for contrast, that
> >>                         is one thing but just
> >>
> >>                 making
> >>
> >>                              them different colors for informational
> >>                         purposes doesn't make any
> >>                              sense
> >>                              to me.  If you are trying convey
> >>                         information with different color
> >>                              buttons, what is the impact on users who
> >>                         are color blind.
> >>
> >>                              >
> >>                              > Maybe there is a better way to
> >>                         communicate differences but if
>
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