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[Seth Hillbrand <seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi All-

Sorry, this seems to have gotten off-track.  Let's pause the button
discussion for a moment.  I'm really more concerned about the tree-list
layout hiding hotkeys from users.  Does anyone feel like we need the
treelist here?

Chris, I know this was originally your commit and I don't mean to be overly
negative about it.  What was the original motivation for it?  Would you be
open to my modifying it to improve the accessibility?

Thanks-
Seth

On 11. Januar 2018 um 19:24, Andrey Kuznetsov <kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> If that would be the intended functionality, then I'd suggest "Reset
> Selected" instead of "Reset".
>
> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 5:01 AM, yann jautard <bricofoy@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> what about  keeping four buttons :
>>
>> *Defaults* that reset all hotkeys *of the current tab* to default
>>
>> *Reset* that reset *the selected* hotkey only to default
>>
>> *Cancel* that close the window and undo the current changes
>>
>> *Save* that close the window and save the current changes
>>
>>
>> With a tooltip when getting the mouse over each button that clearly says
>> this.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/01/2018 13:16, Clemens Koller wrote:
>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> On 2018-01-11 02:07, Seth Hillbrand wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't recall when this change happened but I'd like any feedback on
>>>> whether folks are adverse
>>>> to reverting to the 4.0.7 tabbed layout while keeping the "Reset" and
>>>> "Defaults" buttons,
>>>> that I think are really good additions.
>>>>
>>> I agree, but I still don't understand why we don't use the huge screen
>>> real-estate we have nowadays on our desks and display all of them in one
>>> table with i.e. four columns. It would be easy then to check the hotkeys
>>> across all tools without changing tabs.
>>> The Buttons "Default" might become "Reset all Hotkeys to Kicad's
>>> defaults. Are you sure Y/N?"
>>> The Buttons "Reset" might become "Reset to previous settings" - but that
>>> might simply be the "Cancel" button.
>>>
>>>
>>> The menu entry Help -> List Hotkeys seems redundant to Preferences ->
>>> Hotkey Options -> Edit Hotkeys.
>>> One of the dialogs might be removed.
>>> In the latest-git, the Hotkey '?' doesn't work for me. I get a beep,
>>> when I am lucky... usually it is just ignored.
>>>
>>> In Eeschema, the Help -> List Hotkeys doesn't show the '?'
>>> There the Hotkey-Editor can be reached via Preferences -> General
>>> Options -> Controls Tab...
>>>
>>> GUI consistency would improve UX a lot. These are IMO the low-hanging
>>> fruits to attract users to use Kicad.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Clemens
>>>
>>> On 2018-01-11 02:07, Seth Hillbrand wrote:
>>>
>>>> I feel that there is a usability issue with the current hotkeys editor
>>>> that is a regression from the 4.0.7 hotkeys editor.
>>>>
>>>> I've attached images for both to this message.  The current editor
>>>> opens with a tree view that hides the hotkeys below "Common".  Users would
>>>> be forgiven for not realizing that there were additional hotkeys specific
>>>> to each application -- see current_hotkeys.png
>>>>
>>>> Previously, the hotkeys were displayed in tabs that were, I think, more
>>>> clear -- see prev_hotkeys.png.
>>>>
>>>> I don't recall when this change happened but I'd like any feedback on
>>>> whether folks are adverse to reverting to the 4.0.7 tabbed layout while
>>>> keeping the "Reset" and "Defaults" buttons, that I think are really good
>>>> additions.
>>>>
>>>> -S
>>>>
>>>>
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