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[Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>]

Oliver,

The new icons look great.  They are far more coherent than what we had.
I merged your patch into the development branch.  Thank you for
contribution to KiCad.

Cheers,

Wayne

On 01/11/2018 02:54 AM, Oliver Walters wrote:
> Wayne,
> 
> I have taken further suggestions and final icon set is shown below:
> 
> Inline image 1
> 
> The attached patch incorporates all of the icon changes thus far
> implemented.
> 
> Thanks,
> Oliver
> 
> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 1:58 AM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> 
>     I see scope creep happening here.  I thought the original goal was to
>     make some minor tweaks to our existing icons not wholesale replacement
>     of the them.  I don't like the camera either.  I'm not a big fan of the
>     calculator icon.  Both of these icons looks completely out of place with
>     our other icons.  Please keep the scope of these changes in check.  If
>     we want to discuss an entirely new icon theme for v6, that's fine at the
>     appropriate time but not for v5.
> 
>     On 1/10/2018 9:42 AM, Jeff Young wrote:
>     > Splendid!
>     >
>     > Although I agree with Kristoffer that the new bitmap2component icon
>     > isn’t much help.  Import/Export is the one area where we’ve kept the
>     > arrows (which I think is fine).  Given that, the pixelated “a” with an
>     > import arrow would be perfect.
>     >
>     > FWIW, this is one area where I disagree with Nick.  I did user interface
>     > design and software architecture for Adobe for 25 years and in my
>     > professional opinion, these icons are a HUGE improvement.
>     >
>     > Cheers,
>     > Jeff
>     >
>     >
>     >> On 10 Jan 2018, at 14:28, Oliver Walters
>     >> <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
>     >> <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
>     >>
>     >>     Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the arrows, the
>     >>     diskette and the folder in the repo with the patch, basically if
>     >>     someone wants to create future icons. They could use the same
>     >>     arrows for any kind of export, import, save, inspect or view.
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> I have created a set of "common icons" for exactly this purpose :)
>     >>  
>     >>
>     >> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 1:27 AM, Kristoffer Ödmark
>     >> <kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx>
>     <mailto:kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>     >> wrote:
>     >>
>     >>     Wow, really nice! Although, the icon for the bitmap2component
>     >>     basically looks like a screenshot symbol to me, or something
>     >>     related to a webcam.
>     >>
>     >>     The old one isnt as polished, but I think it fits better.
>     >>
>     >>     Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the arrows, the
>     >>     diskette and the folder in the repo with the patch, basically if
>     >>     someone wants to create future icons. They could use the same
>     >>     arrows for any kind of export, import, save, inspect or view.
>     >>
>     >>     Basically to help get a icon theme thing going ;)
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>      -Kristoffer
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>     On 01/10/2018 03:13 PM, Oliver Walters wrote:
>     >>
>     >>         Wayne,
>     >>
>     >>         Here is the outcome of removing the save / load arrows and
>     >>         replacing with
>     >>         standard load / save icons.
>     >>
>     >>         I have also further tweaked the main icons as per
>     suggestions.
>     >>
>     >>         Screenshots here:
>     >>
>     >>         https://imgur.com/a/DzZhZ
>     >>
>     >>         This is about as far as I want to go with this, please let me
>     >>         know if there
>     >>         are any outstanding issues that prevent me from submitting a
>     >>         patch.
>     >>
>     >>         Thanks,
>     >>         Oliver
>     >>
>     >>         On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:09 AM, Oliver Walters <
>     >>         oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
>     >>         <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
>     >>
>     >>             Ok, that's good to hear. I will take another look at the
>     >>             Gerber icons and
>     >>             otherwise see if anyone can suggest some simple clean
>     >>             replacements for the
>     >>             arrows. If not, I'll push a patch.
>     >>
>     >>             On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:05 AM, Wayne Stambaugh
>     >>             <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
>     <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>     >>             wrote:
>     >>
>     >>                 One good thing about bitmaps is they are low risk
>     >>                 (other than the
>     >>                 complaining that will surely ensue) so we can merge
>     >>                 them just about any
>     >>                 time.  I don't want to wait too long so our doc
>     images
>     >>                 can be updated to
>     >>                 reflect the changes so if we cannot come up with
>     >>                 better alternatives to
>     >>                 replace the arrows, I'm OK with leaving them as
>     is and
>     >>                 pushing it off
>     >>                 until v6.
>     >>
>     >>                 Cheers,
>     >>
>     >>                 Wayne
>     >>
>     >>                 On 1/9/2018 3:31 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
>     >>
>     >>                     I think the changes are absolutely good in
>     >>                     general, and I’d very much
>     >>                     like to see them get merged.  Not that I have any
>     >>                     control over that. ;)
>     >>
>     >>                     As for the arrows, I’d still really like to see
>     >>                     them go away.  The
>     >>                     colour isn’t the problem, it’s the arrows
>     >>                     themselves. ANY of the
>     >>                     alternatives discussed (that don’t include
>     arrows)
>     >>                     would be better.
>     >>
>     >>                     Cheers,
>     >>                     Jeff.
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>                         On 9 Jan 2018, at 20:13, Oliver Walters
>     >>                         <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
>     >>                         <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>
>     >>                         <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
>     >>                         <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
>     >>
>     >>                         The coloured arrows were already in
>     place, all
>     >>                         I have done is made
>     >>                         them all the same "style". In fact,
>     previously
>     >>                         concepts like "save"
>     >>                         and "load" were conveyed both with a downward
>     >>                         pointing arrow, and the
>     >>                         arrow colour was the only point of
>     difference.
>     >>
>     >>                         I thought I had made an improvement on what
>     >>                         was already existing. My
>     >>                         intent was not to necessarily do a sweeping
>     >>                         redesign.
>     >>
>     >>                         If this is now an additional requirement
>     I can
>     >>                         make these not arrows,
>     >>                         but I'd like some direction on what to do
>     >>                         instead. It will be hard to
>     >>                         fit a more detailed icon.
>     >>
>     >>                         Other than this, what are your thoughts
>     >>                         overall? Is it worth my time
>     >>                         pursuing this further? Are these changes good
>     >>                         in general and can you
>     >>                         see them being merged?
>     >>
>     >>                         On 10 Jan 2018 04:44, "Wayne Stambaugh"
>     >>                         <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
>     >>                         <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>
>     >>                         <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
>     >>                         <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
>     >>
>     >>                              On 1/9/2018 12:05 PM, Rene Pöschl wrote:
>     >>                              > On 09/01/18 16:50, Wayne Stambaugh
>     wrote:
>     >>                              >> I'm with Jose on the arrows.  If we
>     >>                         are going to use them,
>     >>                              please don't
>     >>                              >> make the all different colors.  I
>     >>                         don't see how a blue left
>     >>                              arrow versus
>     >>                              >> a magenta right arrow conveys any
>     >>                         meaning to the user.
>     >>                              >>
>     >>                              >
>     >>                              > I like the idea of coloring them
>     >>                         differently. For me this will
>     >>                              give an
>     >>                              > additional way to distinguish the
>     >>                         buttons. (Some of them have
>     >>                              only the
>     >>                              > direction of the arrow as a
>     difference.
>     >>                         Which is easily
>     >>                              overlooked.) I
>     >>                              > hope having different colors will make
>     >>                         it easier for my brain to
>     >>                              > remember which button does what. (I
>     >>                         can't tell you how often i
>     >>                              clicked
>     >>                              > load symbol instead of update symbol
>     >>                         while working on the
>     >>                              reorganization
>     >>                              > of the official lib.)
>     >>
>     >>                              What information does the different
>     color
>     >>                         arrow convey?  If you are
>     >>                              using different colors for contrast,
>     that
>     >>                         is one thing but just
>     >>
>     >>                 making
>     >>
>     >>                              them different colors for informational
>     >>                         purposes doesn't make any
>     >>                              sense
>     >>                              to me.  If you are trying convey
>     >>                         information with different color
>     >>                              buttons, what is the impact on users who
>     >>                         are color blind.
>     >>
>     >>                              >
>     >>                              > Maybe there is a better way to
>     >>                         communicate differences but if
>     >>                              buttons
>     >>                              > look as similar as a lot of them
>     >>                         currently do, adding
>     >>                              differentiating
>     >>                              > colors might help.
>     >>                              >
>     >>                              >
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