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[Nick Østergaard <oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx>]

IMHO the new icon collection looks awful. They are not pixel aligned and
renders quite fuzzy in many details.

http://storage4.static.itmages.com/i/18/0113/h_1515804843_8735496_c1a004f249.png

Looking at the the new ones are part of the red circles and renders fuzzy,
while the green one looks more like the old one and renders more sharply.

Some of the simplification made are an improvement, but the icons are not
ready.

In addition to that a white boarder has been added to overlay icons even
when there is already a black border. I think only one of those should be
there, and probably not a black and white. Usually a darker color of the
same color as the overlay icon makes a better apperance when we are talking
these sizes of icons. But this is really dependent on the icon composition.
Some of the old icons with arrows also had this white boarder, but not the
black one. When removing the white boarder it looked better.

I don't like that so many icons are change without specific justification.
or example the reload.svg was changed. The direction of the arrows changed
and the color. Why? See attached image.
The export STEP icon, you can't even read the P in STP.

2018-01-12 20:11 GMT+01:00 Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>:

> Oliver,
>
> The new icons look great.  They are far more coherent than what we had.
> I merged your patch into the development branch.  Thank you for
> contribution to KiCad.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Wayne
>
> On 01/11/2018 02:54 AM, Oliver Walters wrote:
> > Wayne,
> >
> > I have taken further suggestions and final icon set is shown below:
> >
> > Inline image 1
> >
> > The attached patch incorporates all of the icon changes thus far
> > implemented.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Oliver
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 1:58 AM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >
> >     I see scope creep happening here.  I thought the original goal was to
> >     make some minor tweaks to our existing icons not wholesale
> replacement
> >     of the them.  I don't like the camera either.  I'm not a big fan of
> the
> >     calculator icon.  Both of these icons looks completely out of place
> with
> >     our other icons.  Please keep the scope of these changes in check.
> If
> >     we want to discuss an entirely new icon theme for v6, that's fine at
> the
> >     appropriate time but not for v5.
> >
> >     On 1/10/2018 9:42 AM, Jeff Young wrote:
> >     > Splendid!
> >     >
> >     > Although I agree with Kristoffer that the new bitmap2component icon
> >     > isn’t much help.  Import/Export is the one area where we’ve kept
> the
> >     > arrows (which I think is fine).  Given that, the pixelated “a”
> with an
> >     > import arrow would be perfect.
> >     >
> >     > FWIW, this is one area where I disagree with Nick.  I did user
> interface
> >     > design and software architecture for Adobe for 25 years and in my
> >     > professional opinion, these icons are a HUGE improvement.
> >     >
> >     > Cheers,
> >     > Jeff
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >> On 10 Jan 2018, at 14:28, Oliver Walters
> >     >> <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@
> gmail.com>
> >     >> <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
> >     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
> >     >>
> >     >>     Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the arrows, the
> >     >>     diskette and the folder in the repo with the patch, basically
> if
> >     >>     someone wants to create future icons. They could use the same
> >     >>     arrows for any kind of export, import, save, inspect or view.
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >> I have created a set of "common icons" for exactly this purpose :)
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 1:27 AM, Kristoffer Ödmark
> >     >> <kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx
> >     <mailto:kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx>
> >     <mailto:kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx
> >     <mailto:kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> >     >> wrote:
> >     >>
> >     >>     Wow, really nice! Although, the icon for the bitmap2component
> >     >>     basically looks like a screenshot symbol to me, or something
> >     >>     related to a webcam.
> >     >>
> >     >>     The old one isnt as polished, but I think it fits better.
> >     >>
> >     >>     Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the arrows, the
> >     >>     diskette and the folder in the repo with the patch, basically
> if
> >     >>     someone wants to create future icons. They could use the same
> >     >>     arrows for any kind of export, import, save, inspect or view.
> >     >>
> >     >>     Basically to help get a icon theme thing going ;)
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >>      -Kristoffer
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >>     On 01/10/2018 03:13 PM, Oliver Walters wrote:
> >     >>
> >     >>         Wayne,
> >     >>
> >     >>         Here is the outcome of removing the save / load arrows and
> >     >>         replacing with
> >     >>         standard load / save icons.
> >     >>
> >     >>         I have also further tweaked the main icons as per
> >     suggestions.
> >     >>
> >     >>         Screenshots here:
> >     >>
> >     >>         https://imgur.com/a/DzZhZ
> >     >>
> >     >>         This is about as far as I want to go with this, please
> let me
> >     >>         know if there
> >     >>         are any outstanding issues that prevent me from
> submitting a
> >     >>         patch.
> >     >>
> >     >>         Thanks,
> >     >>         Oliver
> >     >>
> >     >>         On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:09 AM, Oliver Walters <
> >     >>         oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
> >     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
> >     >>         <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
> >     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
> >     >>
> >     >>             Ok, that's good to hear. I will take another look at
> the
> >     >>             Gerber icons and
> >     >>             otherwise see if anyone can suggest some simple clean
> >     >>             replacements for the
> >     >>             arrows. If not, I'll push a patch.
> >     >>
> >     >>             On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:05 AM, Wayne Stambaugh
> >     >>             <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> >     <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> >     >>             wrote:
> >     >>
> >     >>                 One good thing about bitmaps is they are low risk
> >     >>                 (other than the
> >     >>                 complaining that will surely ensue) so we can
> merge
> >     >>                 them just about any
> >     >>                 time.  I don't want to wait too long so our doc
> >     images
> >     >>                 can be updated to
> >     >>                 reflect the changes so if we cannot come up with
> >     >>                 better alternatives to
> >     >>                 replace the arrows, I'm OK with leaving them as
> >     is and
> >     >>                 pushing it off
> >     >>                 until v6.
> >     >>
> >     >>                 Cheers,
> >     >>
> >     >>                 Wayne
> >     >>
> >     >>                 On 1/9/2018 3:31 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
> >     >>
> >     >>                     I think the changes are absolutely good in
> >     >>                     general, and I’d very much
> >     >>                     like to see them get merged.  Not that I have
> any
> >     >>                     control over that. ;)
> >     >>
> >     >>                     As for the arrows, I’d still really like to
> see
> >     >>                     them go away.  The
> >     >>                     colour isn’t the problem, it’s the arrows
> >     >>                     themselves. ANY of the
> >     >>                     alternatives discussed (that don’t include
> >     arrows)
> >     >>                     would be better.
> >     >>
> >     >>                     Cheers,
> >     >>                     Jeff.
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >>                         On 9 Jan 2018, at 20:13, Oliver Walters
> >     >>                         <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
> >     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
> >     >>                         <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
> >     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >     >>                         <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
> >     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
> >     >>                         <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
> >     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
> >     >>
> >     >>                         The coloured arrows were already in
> >     place, all
> >     >>                         I have done is made
> >     >>                         them all the same "style". In fact,
> >     previously
> >     >>                         concepts like "save"
> >     >>                         and "load" were conveyed both with a
> downward
> >     >>                         pointing arrow, and the
> >     >>                         arrow colour was the only point of
> >     difference.
> >     >>
> >     >>                         I thought I had made an improvement on
> what
> >     >>                         was already existing. My
> >     >>                         intent was not to necessarily do a
> sweeping
> >     >>                         redesign.
> >     >>
> >     >>                         If this is now an additional requirement
> >     I can
> >     >>                         make these not arrows,
> >     >>                         but I'd like some direction on what to do
> >     >>                         instead. It will be hard to
> >     >>                         fit a more detailed icon.
> >     >>
> >     >>                         Other than this, what are your thoughts
> >     >>                         overall? Is it worth my time
> >     >>                         pursuing this further? Are these changes
> good
> >     >>                         in general and can you
> >     >>                         see them being merged?
> >     >>
> >     >>                         On 10 Jan 2018 04:44, "Wayne Stambaugh"
> >     >>                         <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
> >     <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> >     >>                         <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
> >     <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >     >>                         <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
> >     <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> >     >>                         <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
> >     <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
> >     >>
> >     >>                              On 1/9/2018 12:05 PM, Rene Pöschl
> wrote:
> >     >>                              > On 09/01/18 16:50, Wayne Stambaugh
> >     wrote:
> >     >>                              >> I'm with Jose on the arrows.  If
> we
> >     >>                         are going to use them,
> >     >>                              please don't
> >     >>                              >> make the all different colors.  I
> >     >>                         don't see how a blue left
> >     >>                              arrow versus
> >     >>                              >> a magenta right arrow conveys any
> >     >>                         meaning to the user.
> >     >>                              >>
> >     >>                              >
> >     >>                              > I like the idea of coloring them
> >     >>                         differently. For me this will
> >     >>                              give an
> >     >>                              > additional way to distinguish the
> >     >>                         buttons. (Some of them have
> >     >>                              only the
> >     >>                              > direction of the arrow as a
> >     difference.
> >     >>                         Which is easily
> >     >>                              overlooked.) I
> >     >>                              > hope having different colors will
> make
> >     >>                         it easier for my brain to
> >     >>                              > remember which button does what. (I
> >     >>                         can't tell you how often i
> >     >>                              clicked
> >     >>                              > load symbol instead of update
> symbol
> >     >>                         while working on the
> >     >>                              reorganization
> >     >>                              > of the official lib.)
> >     >>
> >     >>                              What information does the different
> >     color
> >     >>                         arrow convey?  If you are
> >     >>                              using different colors for contrast,
> >     that
> >     >>                         is one thing but just
> >     >>
> >     >>                 making
> >     >>
> >     >>                              them different colors for
> informational
> >     >>                         purposes doesn't make any
> >     >>                              sense
> >     >>                              to me.  If you are trying convey
> >     >>                         information with different color
> >     >>                              buttons, what is the impact on users
> who
> >     >>                         are color blind.
> >     >>
> >     >>                              >
> >     >>                              > Maybe there is a better way to
> >     >>                         communicate differences but if
> >     >>                              buttons
> >     >>                              > look as similar as a lot of them
> >     >>                         currently do, adding
> >     >>                              differentiating
> >     >>                              > colors might help.
> >     >>                              >
> >     >>                              >
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