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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
On 1/12/2018 8:19 PM, Nick Østergaard wrote:
> IMHO the new icon collection looks awful. They are not pixel aligned and
> renders quite fuzzy in many details.
>
> http://storage4.static.itmages.com/i/18/0113/h_1515804843_8735496_c1a004f249.png
>
> Looking at the the new ones are part of the red circles and renders
> fuzzy, while the green one looks more like the old one and renders more
> sharply.
Good catch Nick. I didn't notice the fuzzy icons. Please sharpen these
when you get a chance.
>
> Some of the simplification made are an improvement, but the icons are
> not ready.
>
> In addition to that a white boarder has been added to overlay icons even
> when there is already a black border. I think only one of those should
> be there, and probably not a black and white. Usually a darker color of
> the same color as the overlay icon makes a better apperance when we are
> talking these sizes of icons. But this is really dependent on the icon
> composition. Some of the old icons with arrows also had this white
> boarder, but not the black one. When removing the white boarder it
> looked better.
>
> I don't like that so many icons are change without specific
> justification. or example the reload.svg was changed. The direction of
> the arrows changed and the color. Why? See attached image.
> The export STEP icon, you can't even read the P in STP.
>
> 2018-01-12 20:11 GMT+01:00 Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>:
>
> Oliver,
>
> The new icons look great. They are far more coherent than what we had.
> I merged your patch into the development branch. Thank you for
> contribution to KiCad.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Wayne
>
> On 01/11/2018 02:54 AM, Oliver Walters wrote:
> > Wayne,
> >
> > I have taken further suggestions and final icon set is shown below:
> >
> > Inline image 1
> >
> > The attached patch incorporates all of the icon changes thus far
> > implemented.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Oliver
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 1:58 AM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
> >
> > I see scope creep happening here. I thought the original goal was to
> > make some minor tweaks to our existing icons not wholesale replacement
> > of the them. I don't like the camera either. I'm not a big fan of the
> > calculator icon. Both of these icons looks completely out of place with
> > our other icons. Please keep the scope of these changes in check. If
> > we want to discuss an entirely new icon theme for v6, that's fine at the
> > appropriate time but not for v5.
> >
> > On 1/10/2018 9:42 AM, Jeff Young wrote:
> > > Splendid!
> > >
> > > Although I agree with Kristoffer that the new bitmap2component icon
> > > isn’t much help. Import/Export is the one area where we’ve kept the
> > > arrows (which I think is fine). Given that, the pixelated “a” with an
> > > import arrow would be perfect.
> > >
> > > FWIW, this is one area where I disagree with Nick. I did user interface
> > > design and software architecture for Adobe for 25 years and in my
> > > professional opinion, these icons are a HUGE improvement.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > >
> > >> On 10 Jan 2018, at 14:28, Oliver Walters
> > >> <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > >> <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the arrows, the
> > >> diskette and the folder in the repo with the patch, basically if
> > >> someone wants to create future icons. They could use the same
> > >> arrows for any kind of export, import, save, inspect or view.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I have created a set of "common icons" for exactly this purpose :)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 1:27 AM, Kristoffer Ödmark
> > >> <kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx>>>>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Wow, really nice! Although, the icon for the
> bitmap2component
> > >> basically looks like a screenshot symbol to me, or
> something
> > >> related to a webcam.
> > >>
> > >> The old one isnt as polished, but I think it fits better.
> > >>
> > >> Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the
> arrows, the
> > >> diskette and the folder in the repo with the patch,
> basically if
> > >> someone wants to create future icons. They could use
> the same
> > >> arrows for any kind of export, import, save, inspect or
> view.
> > >>
> > >> Basically to help get a icon theme thing going ;)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -Kristoffer
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 01/10/2018 03:13 PM, Oliver Walters wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Wayne,
> > >>
> > >> Here is the outcome of removing the save / load
> arrows and
> > >> replacing with
> > >> standard load / save icons.
> > >>
> > >> I have also further tweaked the main icons as per
> > suggestions.
> > >>
> > >> Screenshots here:
> > >>
> > >> https://imgur.com/a/DzZhZ
> > >>
> > >> This is about as far as I want to go with this,
> please let me
> > >> know if there
> > >> are any outstanding issues that prevent me from
> submitting a
> > >> patch.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Oliver
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:09 AM, Oliver Walters <
> > >> oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
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> > >> <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Ok, that's good to hear. I will take another look at the
> > >> Gerber icons and
> > >> otherwise see if anyone can suggest some simple clean
> > >> replacements for the
> > >> arrows. If not, I'll push a patch.
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:05 AM, Wayne Stambaugh
> > >> <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> One good thing about bitmaps is they are
> low risk
> > >> (other than the
> > >> complaining that will surely ensue) so we
> can merge
> > >> them just about any
> > >> time. I don't want to wait too long so our doc
> > images
> > >> can be updated to
> > >> reflect the changes so if we cannot come up
> with
> > >> better alternatives to
> > >> replace the arrows, I'm OK with leaving them as
> > is and
> > >> pushing it off
> > >> until v6.
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >>
> > >> Wayne
> > >>
> > >> On 1/9/2018 3:31 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I think the changes are absolutely good in
> > >> general, and I’d very much
> > >> like to see them get merged. Not that
> I have any
> > >> control over that. ;)
> > >>
> > >> As for the arrows, I’d still really
> like to see
> > >> them go away. The
> > >> colour isn’t the problem, it’s the arrows
> > >> themselves. ANY of the
> > >> alternatives discussed (that don’t include
> > arrows)
> > >> would be better.
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >> Jeff.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 9 Jan 2018, at 20:13, Oliver Walters
> > >> <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
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> > >>
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> > >>
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> > >>
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> > <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> The coloured arrows were already in
> > place, all
> > >> I have done is made
> > >> them all the same "style". In fact,
> > previously
> > >> concepts like "save"
> > >> and "load" were conveyed both with
> a downward
> > >> pointing arrow, and the
> > >> arrow colour was the only point of
> > difference.
> > >>
> > >> I thought I had made an improvement
> on what
> > >> was already existing. My
> > >> intent was not to necessarily do a
> sweeping
> > >> redesign.
> > >>
> > >> If this is now an additional
> requirement
> > I can
> > >> make these not arrows,
> > >> but I'd like some direction on what
> to do
> > >> instead. It will be hard to
> > >> fit a more detailed icon.
> > >>
> > >> Other than this, what are your thoughts
> > >> overall? Is it worth my time
> > >> pursuing this further? Are these
> changes good
> > >> in general and can you
> > >> see them being merged?
> > >>
> > >> On 10 Jan 2018 04:44, "Wayne Stambaugh"
> > >> <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>
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> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On 1/9/2018 12:05 PM, Rene
> Pöschl wrote:
> > >> > On 09/01/18 16:50, Wayne
> Stambaugh
> > wrote:
> > >> >> I'm with Jose on the
> arrows. If we
> > >> are going to use them,
> > >> please don't
> > >> >> make the all different
> colors. I
> > >> don't see how a blue left
> > >> arrow versus
> > >> >> a magenta right arrow
> conveys any
> > >> meaning to the user.
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> > I like the idea of coloring them
> > >> differently. For me this will
> > >> give an
> > >> > additional way to
> distinguish the
> > >> buttons. (Some of them have
> > >> only the
> > >> > direction of the arrow as a
> > difference.
> > >> Which is easily
> > >> overlooked.) I
> > >> > hope having different colors
> will make
> > >> it easier for my brain to
> > >> > remember which button does
> what. (I
> > >> can't tell you how often i
> > >> clicked
> > >> > load symbol instead of
> update symbol
> > >> while working on the
> > >> reorganization
> > >> > of the official lib.)
> > >>
> > >> What information does the
> different
> > color
> > >> arrow convey? If you are
> > >> using different colors for
> contrast,
> > that
> > >> is one thing but just
> > >>
> > >> making
> > >>
> > >> them different colors for
> informational
> > >> purposes doesn't make any
> > >> sense
> > >> to me. If you are trying convey
> > >> information with different color
> > >> buttons, what is the impact on
> users who
> > >> are color blind.
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> > Maybe there is a better way to
> > >> communicate differences but if
> > >> buttons
> > >> > look as similar as a lot of them
> > >> currently do, adding
> > >> differentiating
> > >> > colors might help.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
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Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Oliver Walters, 2018-01-06
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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Wayne Stambaugh, 2018-01-09
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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Rene Pöschl, 2018-01-09
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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Wayne Stambaugh, 2018-01-09
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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Oliver Walters, 2018-01-09
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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Jeff Young, 2018-01-09
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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Wayne Stambaugh, 2018-01-09
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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Oliver Walters, 2018-01-09
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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Oliver Walters, 2018-01-10
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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Kristoffer Ödmark, 2018-01-10
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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Oliver Walters, 2018-01-10
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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Jeff Young, 2018-01-10
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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Wayne Stambaugh, 2018-01-10
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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Oliver Walters, 2018-01-11
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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Wayne Stambaugh, 2018-01-12
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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Nick Østergaard, 2018-01-13