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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons

 

On 1/12/2018 8:19 PM, Nick Østergaard wrote:
> IMHO the new icon collection looks awful. They are not pixel aligned and
> renders quite fuzzy in many details.
> 
> http://storage4.static.itmages.com/i/18/0113/h_1515804843_8735496_c1a004f249.png
> 
> Looking at the the new ones are part of the red circles and renders
> fuzzy, while the green one looks more like the old one and renders more
> sharply.

Good catch Nick.  I didn't notice the fuzzy icons.  Please sharpen these
when you get a chance.

> 
> Some of the simplification made are an improvement, but the icons are
> not ready.
> 
> In addition to that a white boarder has been added to overlay icons even
> when there is already a black border. I think only one of those should
> be there, and probably not a black and white. Usually a darker color of
> the same color as the overlay icon makes a better apperance when we are
> talking these sizes of icons. But this is really dependent on the icon
> composition. Some of the old icons with arrows also had this white
> boarder, but not the black one. When removing the white boarder it
> looked better.
> 
> I don't like that so many icons are change without specific
> justification. or example the reload.svg was changed. The direction of
> the arrows changed and the color. Why? See attached image.
> The export STEP icon, you can't even read the P in STP.
> 
> 2018-01-12 20:11 GMT+01:00 Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>:
> 
>     Oliver,
> 
>     The new icons look great.  They are far more coherent than what we had.
>     I merged your patch into the development branch.  Thank you for
>     contribution to KiCad.
> 
>     Cheers,
> 
>     Wayne
> 
>     On 01/11/2018 02:54 AM, Oliver Walters wrote:
>     > Wayne,
>     >
>     > I have taken further suggestions and final icon set is shown below:
>     >
>     > Inline image 1
>     >
>     > The attached patch incorporates all of the icon changes thus far
>     > implemented.
>     >
>     > Thanks,
>     > Oliver
>     >
>     > On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 1:58 AM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
>     > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
>     >
>     >     I see scope creep happening here.  I thought the original goal was to
>     >     make some minor tweaks to our existing icons not wholesale replacement
>     >     of the them.  I don't like the camera either.  I'm not a big fan of the
>     >     calculator icon.  Both of these icons looks completely out of place with
>     >     our other icons.  Please keep the scope of these changes in check.  If
>     >     we want to discuss an entirely new icon theme for v6, that's fine at the
>     >     appropriate time but not for v5.
>     >
>     >     On 1/10/2018 9:42 AM, Jeff Young wrote:
>     >     > Splendid!
>     >     >
>     >     > Although I agree with Kristoffer that the new bitmap2component icon
>     >     > isn’t much help.  Import/Export is the one area where we’ve kept the
>     >     > arrows (which I think is fine).  Given that, the pixelated “a” with an
>     >     > import arrow would be perfect.
>     >     >
>     >     > FWIW, this is one area where I disagree with Nick.  I did user interface
>     >     > design and software architecture for Adobe for 25 years and in my
>     >     > professional opinion, these icons are a HUGE improvement.
>     >     >
>     >     > Cheers,
>     >     > Jeff
>     >     >
>     >     >
>     >     >> On 10 Jan 2018, at 14:28, Oliver Walters
>     >     >> <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
>     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>
>     >     >> <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
>     >     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
>     >     >>
>     >     >>     Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the arrows, the
>     >     >>     diskette and the folder in the repo with the patch, basically if
>     >     >>     someone wants to create future icons. They could use the same
>     >     >>     arrows for any kind of export, import, save, inspect or view.
>     >     >>
>     >     >>
>     >     >> I have created a set of "common icons" for exactly this purpose :)
>     >     >>  
>     >     >>
>     >     >> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 1:27 AM, Kristoffer Ödmark
>     >     >> <kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx>
>     >     <mailto:kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx>>
>     >     <mailto:kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx>
>     >     <mailto:kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx>>>>
>     >     >> wrote:
>     >     >>
>     >     >>     Wow, really nice! Although, the icon for the
>     bitmap2component
>     >     >>     basically looks like a screenshot symbol to me, or
>     something
>     >     >>     related to a webcam.
>     >     >>
>     >     >>     The old one isnt as polished, but I think it fits better.
>     >     >>
>     >     >>     Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the
>     arrows, the
>     >     >>     diskette and the folder in the repo with the patch,
>     basically if
>     >     >>     someone wants to create future icons. They could use
>     the same
>     >     >>     arrows for any kind of export, import, save, inspect or
>     view.
>     >     >>
>     >     >>     Basically to help get a icon theme thing going ;)
>     >     >>
>     >     >>
>     >     >>
>     >     >>      -Kristoffer
>     >     >>
>     >     >>
>     >     >>     On 01/10/2018 03:13 PM, Oliver Walters wrote:
>     >     >>
>     >     >>         Wayne,
>     >     >>
>     >     >>         Here is the outcome of removing the save / load
>     arrows and
>     >     >>         replacing with
>     >     >>         standard load / save icons.
>     >     >>
>     >     >>         I have also further tweaked the main icons as per
>     >     suggestions.
>     >     >>
>     >     >>         Screenshots here:
>     >     >>
>     >     >>         https://imgur.com/a/DzZhZ
>     >     >>
>     >     >>         This is about as far as I want to go with this,
>     please let me
>     >     >>         know if there
>     >     >>         are any outstanding issues that prevent me from
>     submitting a
>     >     >>         patch.
>     >     >>
>     >     >>         Thanks,
>     >     >>         Oliver
>     >     >>
>     >     >>         On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:09 AM, Oliver Walters <
>     >     >>         oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
>     >     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>
>     >     >>         <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
>     >     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
>     >     >>
>     >     >>             Ok, that's good to hear. I will take another look at the
>     >     >>             Gerber icons and
>     >     >>             otherwise see if anyone can suggest some simple clean
>     >     >>             replacements for the
>     >     >>             arrows. If not, I'll push a patch.
>     >     >>
>     >     >>             On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:05 AM, Wayne Stambaugh
>     >     >>             <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
>     <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>
>     >     <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
>     <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>>
>     >     >>             wrote:
>     >     >>
>     >     >>                 One good thing about bitmaps is they are
>     low risk
>     >     >>                 (other than the
>     >     >>                 complaining that will surely ensue) so we
>     can merge
>     >     >>                 them just about any
>     >     >>                 time.  I don't want to wait too long so our doc
>     >     images
>     >     >>                 can be updated to
>     >     >>                 reflect the changes so if we cannot come up
>     with
>     >     >>                 better alternatives to
>     >     >>                 replace the arrows, I'm OK with leaving them as
>     >     is and
>     >     >>                 pushing it off
>     >     >>                 until v6.
>     >     >>
>     >     >>                 Cheers,
>     >     >>
>     >     >>                 Wayne
>     >     >>
>     >     >>                 On 1/9/2018 3:31 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
>     >     >>
>     >     >>                     I think the changes are absolutely good in
>     >     >>                     general, and I’d very much
>     >     >>                     like to see them get merged.  Not that
>     I have any
>     >     >>                     control over that. ;)
>     >     >>
>     >     >>                     As for the arrows, I’d still really
>     like to see
>     >     >>                     them go away.  The
>     >     >>                     colour isn’t the problem, it’s the arrows
>     >     >>                     themselves. ANY of the
>     >     >>                     alternatives discussed (that don’t include
>     >     arrows)
>     >     >>                     would be better.
>     >     >>
>     >     >>                     Cheers,
>     >     >>                     Jeff.
>     >     >>
>     >     >>
>     >     >>                         On 9 Jan 2018, at 20:13, Oliver Walters
>     >     >>                         <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
>     >     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>
>     >     >>                       
>      <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
>     >     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>     >     >>                       
>      <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
>     >     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>
>     >     >>                       
>      <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
>     >     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote:
>     >     >>
>     >     >>                         The coloured arrows were already in
>     >     place, all
>     >     >>                         I have done is made
>     >     >>                         them all the same "style". In fact,
>     >     previously
>     >     >>                         concepts like "save"
>     >     >>                         and "load" were conveyed both with
>     a downward
>     >     >>                         pointing arrow, and the
>     >     >>                         arrow colour was the only point of
>     >     difference.
>     >     >>
>     >     >>                         I thought I had made an improvement
>     on what
>     >     >>                         was already existing. My
>     >     >>                         intent was not to necessarily do a
>     sweeping
>     >     >>                         redesign.
>     >     >>
>     >     >>                         If this is now an additional
>     requirement
>     >     I can
>     >     >>                         make these not arrows,
>     >     >>                         but I'd like some direction on what
>     to do
>     >     >>                         instead. It will be hard to
>     >     >>                         fit a more detailed icon.
>     >     >>
>     >     >>                         Other than this, what are your thoughts
>     >     >>                         overall? Is it worth my time
>     >     >>                         pursuing this further? Are these
>     changes good
>     >     >>                         in general and can you
>     >     >>                         see them being merged?
>     >     >>
>     >     >>                         On 10 Jan 2018 04:44, "Wayne Stambaugh"
>     >     >>                         <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
>     >     <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>
>     >     >>                         <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
>     >     <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>     >     >>                         <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
>     >     <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>
>     >     >>                         <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
>     >     <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>
>     wrote:
>     >     >>
>     >     >>                              On 1/9/2018 12:05 PM, Rene
>     Pöschl wrote:
>     >     >>                              > On 09/01/18 16:50, Wayne
>     Stambaugh
>     >     wrote:
>     >     >>                              >> I'm with Jose on the
>     arrows.  If we
>     >     >>                         are going to use them,
>     >     >>                              please don't
>     >     >>                              >> make the all different
>     colors.  I
>     >     >>                         don't see how a blue left
>     >     >>                              arrow versus
>     >     >>                              >> a magenta right arrow
>     conveys any
>     >     >>                         meaning to the user.
>     >     >>                              >>
>     >     >>                              >
>     >     >>                              > I like the idea of coloring them
>     >     >>                         differently. For me this will
>     >     >>                              give an
>     >     >>                              > additional way to
>     distinguish the
>     >     >>                         buttons. (Some of them have
>     >     >>                              only the
>     >     >>                              > direction of the arrow as a
>     >     difference.
>     >     >>                         Which is easily
>     >     >>                              overlooked.) I
>     >     >>                              > hope having different colors
>     will make
>     >     >>                         it easier for my brain to
>     >     >>                              > remember which button does
>     what. (I
>     >     >>                         can't tell you how often i
>     >     >>                              clicked
>     >     >>                              > load symbol instead of
>     update symbol
>     >     >>                         while working on the
>     >     >>                              reorganization
>     >     >>                              > of the official lib.)
>     >     >>
>     >     >>                              What information does the
>     different
>     >     color
>     >     >>                         arrow convey?  If you are
>     >     >>                              using different colors for
>     contrast,
>     >     that
>     >     >>                         is one thing but just
>     >     >>
>     >     >>                 making
>     >     >>
>     >     >>                              them different colors for
>     informational
>     >     >>                         purposes doesn't make any
>     >     >>                              sense
>     >     >>                              to me.  If you are trying convey
>     >     >>                         information with different color
>     >     >>                              buttons, what is the impact on
>     users who
>     >     >>                         are color blind.
>     >     >>
>     >     >>                              >
>     >     >>                              > Maybe there is a better way to
>     >     >>                         communicate differences but if
>     >     >>                              buttons
>     >     >>                              > look as similar as a lot of them
>     >     >>                         currently do, adding
>     >     >>                              differentiating
>     >     >>                              > colors might help.
>     >     >>                              >
>     >     >>                              >
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