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[Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>]

Just because a schematic has more than one sheet (file), complex or
otherwise does not mean we have a different save context.  You are still
saving the current schematic no matter how may files are involved.
Please do *not* do this.

On 01/13/2018 03:06 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
> You already said the save will save everything, now you want to
> introduce differentiating icons/tooltips that will add complexity to the
> most simple tasks that will already do the implied function without the
> need for clarifying what is sheet and what is hierarchy. No changing
> tooltips based on single sheet vs hierarchy.
> 
> Now that I understand what you are after.
> 
> I suggest:
> Save icon with multiple diskettes (multiple will imply it will save
> everything, whether it's 1 sheet or hierarchy, the function will save
> all, so there's no need for a single diskette)
> Tooltip: ii
> 
> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 11:57 AM, Jeff Young <jeff@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> 
>     Just to be clear on the context-specific options: the idea is to
>     make hierarchical schematics a progressive disclosure feature.  So a
>     less-sophisticated user happy with a one-sheet schematic wouldn’t
>     have to deal with tooltips and/or icons relating to hierarchies.
> 
>     So there would always be a single icon visible at any given time
>     (and a single function available), but the icon and/or tooltip might
>     be different depending on the context.
> 
> 
>>     On 13 Jan 2018, at 19:48, Jeff Young <jeff@xxxxxxxxx
>>     <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>
>>     The /function/ is always the same: save as many sheets as there
>>     are.  The only question is how to communicate that to the user.
>>
>>     Your reply sounds like a vote for (a)(ii), although you weren’t
>>     specific about the tooltip side of things.
>>
>>     Cheers,
>>     Jeff.
>>
>>
>>>     On 13 Jan 2018, at 19:23, Andrey Kuznetsov <kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>>>     <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     What is the problem with saving ALL schematics in the project
>>>     that have been edited, whether it's a 1 sheet or heirarchy sheet
>>>     project?
>>>     Are there times when you only want to save that sheet but not the
>>>     other sheets? If yes, then maybe add 2 save buttons, save and
>>>     save all, if not then just the save all button
>>>
>>>     I am against using schematic icon with a disk, too much complexity!
>>>
>>>     You should simply use:
>>>     Disk icon for Save
>>>     and/or
>>>     Multi-Disk icon for Save All
>>>
>>>     There is no purpose in indicating that you want to save a
>>>     schematic in a schematic application when calling for a Save.
>>>
>>>     On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 3:15 AM, Jeff Young <jeff@xxxxxxxxx
>>>     <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         The eeschema Save button’s tooltip reads “save schematic
>>>         /project/” (emphasis mine).  Because of that, it got the
>>>         project-with-superimposed-disk in the recent icon update.  I
>>>         don’t think either of those is optimal.
>>>
>>>         There are 3 distinct concepts:
>>>
>>>         1) Kicad projects (containing schematics, PCBs, gerbers, etc.)
>>>         2) A hierarchy of schematic sheets
>>>         3) A single schematic sheet
>>>
>>>         The differentiation between (2) and (3) is a bit confusing
>>>         because the eeschema window only deals with (2) while we
>>>         represent schemas in the file-system at (3).
>>>
>>>         But we should make every effort not to conflate (1) with
>>>         (2).  I think the word “project” should be reserved for use
>>>         in the context of (1).
>>>
>>>         So I can see 4 options for the eeschema Save option:
>>>
>>>         a) sidestep the issue and go with the arrow-to-disk icon (a
>>>         la pcbnew)
>>>         b) use a schematic-with-superimposed-disk icon
>>>         c) use a stacked-schematic-with-superimposed-disk icon (a la
>>>         the hierarchical-sheet-tool icon)
>>>         d) context-sensitive schematic or stacked-schematic icon
>>>
>>>         And a few for the tooltip:
>>>
>>>         i) use “save all schematics in hierarchy”
>>>         ii) use “save schematic(s)” 
>>>         iii) make it context-sensitive, reading either “save
>>>         schematic” or “save all schematics in hierarchy”
>>>
>>>         Personally, I think context-sensitivity is appropriate for
>>>         the tool-tip, but not the icon.  So I’d be inclined to go
>>>         with (b) or (c) and (iii).
>>>
>>>         As an aside, project files (*.pro) are still using the
>>>         application icon, rather than the Project icon.  That makes
>>>         the New Project / New Project from Template / Open Project
>>>         icons harder to understand.
>>>
>>>         Cheers,
>>>         Jeff.
>>>
>>>         BTW: I’m happy to help fix up any of these issues….
>>>
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>>>     kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>     Live Long and Prosper,
>>>     Andrey
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> Live Long and Prosper,
> Andrey
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