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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
The attached image shows a comparison between a poorly designed icons
and a well
designed icon <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tango_icons>.
thank you
Fabrizio
On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 2:19 AM, Nick Østergaard <oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> IMHO the new icon collection looks awful. They are not pixel aligned and
> renders quite fuzzy in many details.
>
> http://storage4.static.itmages.com/i/18/0113/h_
> 1515804843_8735496_c1a004f249.png
>
> Looking at the the new ones are part of the red circles and renders fuzzy,
> while the green one looks more like the old one and renders more sharply.
>
> Some of the simplification made are an improvement, but the icons are not
> ready.
>
> In addition to that a white boarder has been added to overlay icons even
> when there is already a black border. I think only one of those should be
> there, and probably not a black and white. Usually a darker color of the
> same color as the overlay icon makes a better apperance when we are talking
> these sizes of icons. But this is really dependent on the icon composition.
> Some of the old icons with arrows also had this white boarder, but not the
> black one. When removing the white boarder it looked better.
>
> I don't like that so many icons are change without specific justification.
> or example the reload.svg was changed. The direction of the arrows changed
> and the color. Why? See attached image.
> The export STEP icon, you can't even read the P in STP.
>
> 2018-01-12 20:11 GMT+01:00 Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>:
>
>> Oliver,
>>
>> The new icons look great. They are far more coherent than what we had.
>> I merged your patch into the development branch. Thank you for
>> contribution to KiCad.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>> On 01/11/2018 02:54 AM, Oliver Walters wrote:
>> > Wayne,
>> >
>> > I have taken further suggestions and final icon set is shown below:
>> >
>> > Inline image 1
>> >
>> > The attached patch incorporates all of the icon changes thus far
>> > implemented.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Oliver
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 1:58 AM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I see scope creep happening here. I thought the original goal was
>> to
>> > make some minor tweaks to our existing icons not wholesale
>> replacement
>> > of the them. I don't like the camera either. I'm not a big fan of
>> the
>> > calculator icon. Both of these icons looks completely out of place
>> with
>> > our other icons. Please keep the scope of these changes in check.
>> If
>> > we want to discuss an entirely new icon theme for v6, that's fine
>> at the
>> > appropriate time but not for v5.
>> >
>> > On 1/10/2018 9:42 AM, Jeff Young wrote:
>> > > Splendid!
>> > >
>> > > Although I agree with Kristoffer that the new bitmap2component
>> icon
>> > > isn’t much help. Import/Export is the one area where we’ve kept
>> the
>> > > arrows (which I think is fine). Given that, the pixelated “a”
>> with an
>> > > import arrow would be perfect.
>> > >
>> > > FWIW, this is one area where I disagree with Nick. I did user
>> interface
>> > > design and software architecture for Adobe for 25 years and in my
>> > > professional opinion, these icons are a HUGE improvement.
>> > >
>> > > Cheers,
>> > > Jeff
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> On 10 Jan 2018, at 14:28, Oliver Walters
>> > >> <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@g
>> mail.com>
>> > >> <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the arrows, the
>> > >> diskette and the folder in the repo with the patch,
>> basically if
>> > >> someone wants to create future icons. They could use the same
>> > >> arrows for any kind of export, import, save, inspect or view.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> I have created a set of "common icons" for exactly this purpose
>> :)
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 1:27 AM, Kristoffer Ödmark
>> > >> <kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > <mailto:kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Wow, really nice! Although, the icon for the bitmap2component
>> > >> basically looks like a screenshot symbol to me, or something
>> > >> related to a webcam.
>> > >>
>> > >> The old one isnt as polished, but I think it fits better.
>> > >>
>> > >> Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the arrows, the
>> > >> diskette and the folder in the repo with the patch,
>> basically if
>> > >> someone wants to create future icons. They could use the same
>> > >> arrows for any kind of export, import, save, inspect or view.
>> > >>
>> > >> Basically to help get a icon theme thing going ;)
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> -Kristoffer
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On 01/10/2018 03:13 PM, Oliver Walters wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Wayne,
>> > >>
>> > >> Here is the outcome of removing the save / load arrows
>> and
>> > >> replacing with
>> > >> standard load / save icons.
>> > >>
>> > >> I have also further tweaked the main icons as per
>> > suggestions.
>> > >>
>> > >> Screenshots here:
>> > >>
>> > >> https://imgur.com/a/DzZhZ
>> > >>
>> > >> This is about as far as I want to go with this, please
>> let me
>> > >> know if there
>> > >> are any outstanding issues that prevent me from
>> submitting a
>> > >> patch.
>> > >>
>> > >> Thanks,
>> > >> Oliver
>> > >>
>> > >> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:09 AM, Oliver Walters <
>> > >> oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > >> <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Ok, that's good to hear. I will take another look at
>> the
>> > >> Gerber icons and
>> > >> otherwise see if anyone can suggest some simple clean
>> > >> replacements for the
>> > >> arrows. If not, I'll push a patch.
>> > >>
>> > >> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:05 AM, Wayne Stambaugh
>> > >> <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> One good thing about bitmaps is they are low risk
>> > >> (other than the
>> > >> complaining that will surely ensue) so we can
>> merge
>> > >> them just about any
>> > >> time. I don't want to wait too long so our doc
>> > images
>> > >> can be updated to
>> > >> reflect the changes so if we cannot come up with
>> > >> better alternatives to
>> > >> replace the arrows, I'm OK with leaving them as
>> > is and
>> > >> pushing it off
>> > >> until v6.
>> > >>
>> > >> Cheers,
>> > >>
>> > >> Wayne
>> > >>
>> > >> On 1/9/2018 3:31 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> I think the changes are absolutely good in
>> > >> general, and I’d very much
>> > >> like to see them get merged. Not that I
>> have any
>> > >> control over that. ;)
>> > >>
>> > >> As for the arrows, I’d still really like to
>> see
>> > >> them go away. The
>> > >> colour isn’t the problem, it’s the arrows
>> > >> themselves. ANY of the
>> > >> alternatives discussed (that don’t include
>> > arrows)
>> > >> would be better.
>> > >>
>> > >> Cheers,
>> > >> Jeff.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On 9 Jan 2018, at 20:13, Oliver Walters
>> > >> <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > >> <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>
>> > >> <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > >> <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> The coloured arrows were already in
>> > place, all
>> > >> I have done is made
>> > >> them all the same "style". In fact,
>> > previously
>> > >> concepts like "save"
>> > >> and "load" were conveyed both with a
>> downward
>> > >> pointing arrow, and the
>> > >> arrow colour was the only point of
>> > difference.
>> > >>
>> > >> I thought I had made an improvement on
>> what
>> > >> was already existing. My
>> > >> intent was not to necessarily do a
>> sweeping
>> > >> redesign.
>> > >>
>> > >> If this is now an additional requirement
>> > I can
>> > >> make these not arrows,
>> > >> but I'd like some direction on what to do
>> > >> instead. It will be hard to
>> > >> fit a more detailed icon.
>> > >>
>> > >> Other than this, what are your thoughts
>> > >> overall? Is it worth my time
>> > >> pursuing this further? Are these changes
>> good
>> > >> in general and can you
>> > >> see them being merged?
>> > >>
>> > >> On 10 Jan 2018 04:44, "Wayne Stambaugh"
>> > >> <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > >> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>
>> > >> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > >> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> On 1/9/2018 12:05 PM, Rene Pöschl
>> wrote:
>> > >> > On 09/01/18 16:50, Wayne Stambaugh
>> > wrote:
>> > >> >> I'm with Jose on the arrows. If
>> we
>> > >> are going to use them,
>> > >> please don't
>> > >> >> make the all different colors. I
>> > >> don't see how a blue left
>> > >> arrow versus
>> > >> >> a magenta right arrow conveys any
>> > >> meaning to the user.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I like the idea of coloring them
>> > >> differently. For me this will
>> > >> give an
>> > >> > additional way to distinguish the
>> > >> buttons. (Some of them have
>> > >> only the
>> > >> > direction of the arrow as a
>> > difference.
>> > >> Which is easily
>> > >> overlooked.) I
>> > >> > hope having different colors will
>> make
>> > >> it easier for my brain to
>> > >> > remember which button does what.
>> (I
>> > >> can't tell you how often i
>> > >> clicked
>> > >> > load symbol instead of update
>> symbol
>> > >> while working on the
>> > >> reorganization
>> > >> > of the official lib.)
>> > >>
>> > >> What information does the different
>> > color
>> > >> arrow convey? If you are
>> > >> using different colors for contrast,
>> > that
>> > >> is one thing but just
>> > >>
>> > >> making
>> > >>
>> > >> them different colors for
>> informational
>> > >> purposes doesn't make any
>> > >> sense
>> > >> to me. If you are trying convey
>> > >> information with different color
>> > >> buttons, what is the impact on
>> users who
>> > >> are color blind.
>> > >>
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Maybe there is a better way to
>> > >> communicate differences but if
>> > >> buttons
>> > >> > look as similar as a lot of them
>> > >> currently do, adding
>> > >> differentiating
>> > >> > colors might help.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >>
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Follow ups
References
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Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Oliver Walters, 2018-01-06
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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Jeff Young, 2018-01-09
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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: José Ignacio, 2018-01-09
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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Wayne Stambaugh, 2018-01-09
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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Rene Pöschl, 2018-01-09
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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Wayne Stambaugh, 2018-01-09
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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Oliver Walters, 2018-01-09
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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Jeff Young, 2018-01-09
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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Wayne Stambaugh, 2018-01-09
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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Oliver Walters, 2018-01-09
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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Oliver Walters, 2018-01-10
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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Kristoffer Ödmark, 2018-01-10
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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Oliver Walters, 2018-01-10
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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Jeff Young, 2018-01-10
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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Wayne Stambaugh, 2018-01-10
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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Oliver Walters, 2018-01-11
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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Wayne Stambaugh, 2018-01-12
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Re: Libedit and Modedit Icons
From: Nick Østergaard, 2018-01-13
