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["kristoffer Ödmark" <kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx>]

For me it feels more natural with thins flowing from left to right, so 
that means moving the import arrow to the left side, and also making it 
flowing into the document.

Export also flow from left to right, so making it flowing from inside 
the document to out on the right side. These are good goals.

I also find that when i load something, the closest analogy is to pick 
it up, and saving is putting it down. Note that these do however not 
flow into or out of any document. Unless you save it somewhere else, in 
that case it would flow out (export) and down (save) a combination of 
exportin and putting it down.

The current icons makes this much more clear and is much much more 
intuitive, but the two things you listed are important. I read someone 
claiming that the new icons wasnt well designed, I disagree. Sure there 
may be some design policy not being followed, I wouldnt know. But at 
least the icons now provide recognition and usability with less 
complexity. Which makes my work faster, since I dont have to read the 
tooltip every time. This is what is most important for me.

Thank you Oliver for taking your time and moving this forward.


On 2018-01-16 12:55, Jeff Young wrote:
> I think the in/out axis is more important than the left/right axis. 
>  So your suggestion would be an improvement.
>
> > On 16 Jan 2018, at 11:40, Oliver Walters 
> > <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx 
> > <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >
> > I think you are all correct. During my revamp of the icons I tried to 
> > achieve two things:
> >
> > 1. Differentiate between import and export based on arrow direction 
> > (generally import arrows are right to left, and export are left to right)
> > 2. Place import icons on the left, and export on the right (following 
> > the "flow" outlined in 1)
> >
> > However this means that both arrows are effectively flowing "out of" 
> > the document.
> >
> > I think that if the import icons are moved to the right hand side, 
> > then they will then look like they are flowing "into" the document.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 9:10 PM, Jeff Young <jeff@xxxxxxxxx 
> > <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >
> >     FWIW, I also agree that the current import arrow is backwards.
> >
> >     > On 16 Jan 2018, at 07:11, Marco Ciampa <ciampix@xxxxxxxxx
> >     <mailto:ciampix@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >     >
> >     > Hi Oliver, your thoughts?
> >     >
> >     > On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 09:09:48AM +0100, jp charras wrote:
> >     >> Le 15/01/2018 à 08:51, Marco Ciampa a écrit :
> >     >>> Hi Oliver,
> >     >>> about the bikeshedding thing I am not even a developer and I
> >     have the
> >     >>> audacity to say my thoughts about the icons!!!
> >     >>>
> >     >>> Follows my 0.0000002 euro cents
> >     >>>
> >     >>> My very humble opinion is that the import icon is not that
> >     clear and can
> >     >>> be improved alot in this way: just change the direction and
> >     position of
> >     >>> the arrow, the colour could stay as it is, it doesn't matter.
> >     >>>
> >     >>> I mean that the export icon is (almost) ok since it represent
> >     what I
> >     >>> expect in an "export" icon: the "out" direction is clear:
> >     just describe
> >     >>> an arrow that points _out_ of a document.
> >     >>>
> >     >>> Similarly the import icon should represent the "in"
> >     direction: and arrow
> >     >>> that point _into_ a document, not another arrow pointing out
> >     of the same
> >     >>> document but with a different color...
> >     >>
> >     >> I fully agree...
> >     >>
> >     >>>
> >     >>> I mean (ascii art: see it with a monospaced font):
> >     >>>
> >     >>> Export:
> >     >>>
> >     >>> |--------|
> >     >>> |        | |\
> >     >>> |      |---| \
> >     >>> |      |      \
> >     >>> |      |      /
> >     >>> |      |---| /
> >     >>> |        | |/
> >     >>> |--------|
> >     >>>
> >     >>> Import:
> >     >>>
> >     >>>  |--------|
> >     >>>  | |\     |
> >     >>> |---| \    |
> >     >>> |      \   |
> >     >>> |      /   |
> >     >>> |---| /    |
> >     >>>  | |/     |
> >     >>>  |--------|
> >     >>>
> >     >>>
> >     >>> I think this is much clearer...
> >     >>>
> >     >>> --
> >     >>>
> >     >>>
> >     >>> Marco Ciampa
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >> --
> >     >> Jean-Pierre CHARRAS
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