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[Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>]

I was thinking the same thing but rather than locked, I was thinking
linked to the layer but the concept is the same.  If they are  linked,
when the layer is turned off, so are the footprints on that layer.  When
they are unlinked, they are independent similar to the current behavior.
 I would default to linked since that is what most users would expect.

On 02/18/2018 08:42 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
> Hi Jon,
> 
> Make sure Andrews' patches are consistent with your commits, essentially
> don't commit if it'll end up as a hodge podge of code that even though
> it works is not coherent.
> 
> I can see benefits to having control over showing front copper pads but
> hiding bottom copper pads, so I would keep them separate.
> If it's an annoyance to toggle both front and bottom copper checkboxes
> for pads, maybe a LOCK is warranted such that in a locked position, a
> toggle checkbox in either, toggles both checkboxes for front/bottom, and
> an unlocked state keeps them independent.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 4:37 PM, Jon Evans <jon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:jon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> 
>     I'm going to go to the user forum with these questions too, but
>     curious what the devs think about this:
> 
>     In my original RFC, I proposed eliminating the different between
>     "front" and "back" in the Render checkboxes.
>     I still think this makes sense for things like text and footprints,
>     but I'm having second thoughts about merging the "Pads Front" and
>     "Pads Back"
>     Right now we have pads set to a different color than other copper on
>     the front and back copper layers.
>     I guess some users probably like this and would get annoyed if we
>     removed the ability for pads to be a special color.
>     Will they get annoyed if we force them to set both the front and the
>     back pads to the same color?
> 
>     (to be honest, I am used to EDA tools that by default treat pads as
>     part of the copper layer and show them in the same color, so I don't
>     care about this feature)
> 
>     -Jon
> 
>     On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 7:09 PM, Jon Evans <jon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> 
>         Thanks Wayne and Jeff (and yes there are a lot of edge cases
>         here to sort out)
> 
>         Note that Andrzej Wolski already did propose some changes
>         related to this that might be good to merge as a first step.
>         I have only done limited testing on them so far but they do work
>         and resolve some of the problems:
> 
>         https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1743890/comments/6
>         <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1743890/comments/6>
>         https://lists.launchpad.net/kicad-developers/msg34009.html
>         <https://lists.launchpad.net/kicad-developers/msg34009.html>
> 
>         -Jon
> 
>         On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 6:53 PM, Jeff Young <jeff@xxxxxxxxx
>         <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> 
>             Hi Jon,
> 
>             Sounds good to me too.  A few edge-cases you might want to
>             watch out for:
> 
>             https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1733894
>             <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1733894>
>             https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1744521
>             <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1744521>
>             https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1744730
>             <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1744730>
> 
>             Cheers,
>             Jeff.
> 
> 
>>             On 18 Feb 2018, at 22:36, Wayne Stambaugh
>>             <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>
>>             Hey Jon,
>>
>>             I'm good with all of this.  I would like to get this
>>             cleaned up before the stable release if possible since
>>             there are so many complaints and bug reports about it.
>>
>>             Thanks,
>>
>>             Wayne
>>
>>             On 02/18/2018 03:00 PM, Jon Evans wrote:
>>>             Hi all,
>>>             Right now the behavior of the "Layer" and "Render" tabs
>>>             of the layers widget are confusing to users, resulting in
>>>             complaints on the forum and some bug reports:
>>>             https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1748181
>>>             <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1748181>
>>>             https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1743890
>>>             <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1743890>
>>>             I could take a crack at fixing this (before or after 5.0
>>>             depending on what the complexity ends up being) but
>>>             before I write any code I wanted to propose how I think
>>>             it should work.
>>>             I think the visibility of any object should be the AND of
>>>             layer visibility and render visibility.
>>>             To get there:
>>>             1) In the Render tab, get rid of the distinction between
>>>             front/back. For example "Pads Back" and "Pads Front"
>>>             becomes just "Pads"
>>>             2) Change the visibility code so that an object is
>>>             visible if (a) the associated Render setting is turned on
>>>             for the type of object, and (b) at least one of the
>>>             layers the object is on is enabled in the Layers tab.
>>>             3) (optionally) Rename "Render" to something more
>>>             friendly like "Items" or "Item Types" to make it more
>>>             clear to the user that this is where they can turn off
>>>             the display of various types of items as opposed to
>>>             various layerse
>>>             If this plan is OK, I will start working out the details
>>>             of how to get there.  Right now the Render tab is
>>>             directly controlling the visibility of certain "GAL
>>>             Layers" but unfortunately the set of objects that appears
>>>             on one GAL layer is not always equal to the set of
>>>             objects that the user would expect to turn on and off, as
>>>             seen by the bug reports.  So, there will have to be some
>>>             additional logic created to manage these settings beyond
>>>             just turning on and off layers in the GAL.
>>>             -Jon
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