Thanks for your replies. I think there's a consensus that this needs
improving and restructuring, but given your emails, it sounds like a big
task :)
In the meantime, would you accept the attached patch to change the order
in which "Fabrication Outputs" is listed in the menu?
Before:
Fabrication Outputs
Import
Export
After:
Import
Export
Fabrication Outputs
I think that "Fabrication Outputs" is conceptually very similar to
"Export" and it belongs next to it better than having "Import" in
between them.
Thanks,
Diego
On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 9:01 PM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I'm open to any solution that improves the current situation. This
solution seems reasonable as well. I also just noticed that wx
3.1.1 was just released and it looks like there have been a lot of
fixes the various device contexts so some of the work may have
already been done for us.
On 02/24/2018 03:31 PM, Jon Evans wrote:
I thought the idea was to write a backend for GAL that could
render onto a wxDC for printing? It seems wise to use the
wxWidgets printing API rather than bypassing it; so we just need
to be able to render onto a DC (without using the old XOR tricks
from the legacy drawing code)
On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 3:26 PM, Jeff Young <jeff@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
On the other hand, if we don’t then we have to keep
carrying around
a boat-load of Legacy rendering code (because we use that
for printing).
> On 24 Feb 2018, at 20:16, Wayne Stambaugh
<stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
<mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
>
> There is no plan yet but it has been discussed. The only
downside is that we will have to write our own print
handling on
windows and I'm guessing macos. That's one of the reasons
no one
has signed up yet because it will be a large undertaking.
>
> On 02/24/2018 02:02 PM, Jon Evans wrote:
>> Yes I think that's the plan, just needs someone to sign
up to
write it :)
>> On Sat, Feb 24, 2018, 14:00 Andrzej Wolski
<awolski.kicad@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:awolski.kicad@xxxxxxxxx>
<mailto:awolski.kicad@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:awolski.kicad@xxxxxxxxx>>
<mailto:awolski.kicad@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:awolski.kicad@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:awolski.kicad@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:awolski.kicad@xxxxxxxxx>>>>
wrote:
>> Cairo have PDF, SVG and Postscript support. I was once
wondering if
>> GAL/Cairo could be used for printing.
>> Andrzej
>> W dniu 2018-02-24 o 19:24, Jon Evans pisze:
>>> Yeah, there (at least) three different dialogs that
all present
>>> similar things (i.e. a list of layers to include,
settings,
etc):
>>>
>>> Export->SVG
>>> Print
>>> Plot
>>>
>>> The Print code for Export->SVG seems to just use
the same SVG
>>> plotter, so maybe it's just mostly GUI cleanup that
is needed.
>>>
>>> The main Print code does need an overhaul to use
something other
>>> than wxDC for graphics generation (and perhaps
adding some more
>>> features to PDF export)
>>>
>>> -Jon
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 1:16 PM, Jeff Young
<jeff@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>
<mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>> <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>
<mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Plot SVG and Export SVG are different. The
former goes
>>> through the Plot code while the later goes
through the Print
>>> code.
>>>
>>> Do we need both? I haven’t a clue.
>>>
>>> It would be nice to clean this stuff up, if
there is in
fact a
>>> clean way to present it.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jeff.
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 24 Feb 2018, at 14:54, Jon Evans
<jon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
<mailto:jon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>>>> <mailto:jon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:jon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I agree with this! It has always tripped me up
when I
switch
>>>> back and forth between kicad and other EDA tools.
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 24, 2018 9:31 AM, "Diego Herranz"
>>>> <diegoherranz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:diegoherranz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
<mailto:diegoherranz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:diegoherranz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>>>> <mailto:diegoherranz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:diegoherranz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
<mailto:diegoherranz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:diegoherranz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Now that so much work is happening on
re-structuring
>>>> menus, I've remembered something I have
always found
>>>> weird on pcbnew.
>>>>
>>>> "Plot", from wihch you can obtain Gerbers
is not inside
>>>> "Fabrication Outputs", but on its own.
>>>> I find it weird to have the drill option
inside
>>>> "Fabrication Outputs" but not the Gerbers
(they are
>>>> normally needed together and in fact, you
can go to
>>>> "Drill" from "Plot").
>>>>
>>>> If "Plot" was Gerber only, I would
recommend moving it
>>>> inside "Fabrication Outputs" straight away but
because it
>>>> also exports other formats, it's not so
straightforward.
>>>>
>>>> I think ideally we would have:
>>>>
>>>> - Fabrication outputs
>>>> - Gerber...
>>>> - Drill
>>>> - ...
>>>> - Export
>>>> - STEP
>>>> - PDF...
>>>> - Postcript...
>>>> - DXF...
>>>> - ...
>>>>
>>>> And I have just noticed SVG can be
obtained from "Plot"
>>>> or the "Export" submenu. Is it the same?
>>>>
>>>> What do you guys think? I'm not
necessarily suggesting
>>>> looking into this before KiCad 5, just
wanted to have
>>>> your view.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Diego
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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