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[Clemens Koller <cko@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi!

On 2018-02-27 01:35, Andy Peters wrote:
>> There is no plan yet but it has been discussed.
> The only downside is that we will have to write our own print handling on windows and I'm guessing macos.
> That's one of the reasons no one has signed up yet because it will be a large undertaking.

It is possible to embed metadata into a PDF document with annotations to show i.e. detailed part information on a schematic on MouseOver.
This is propably more difficult to achieve when we just use the OS' brilliant printing subsystem to generate PDFs.

(Don't get me wrong: I do not favor complex annotations in PDFs as their support is severely limited in a lot of PDF readers.)

Regards,

Clemens


On 2018-02-27 01:35, Andy Peters wrote:
> On Feb 24, 2018, at 1:16 PM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>
>> There is no plan yet but it has been discussed.  The only downside is that we will have to write our own print handling on windows and I'm guessing macos.  That's one of the reasons no one has signed up yet because it will be a large undertaking.
> 
> PDF export is free on macOS (and has been since the very first Mac OS X 10.0). If something brings up the system print dialog, there is a little pulldown menu thingie in the lower-left-hand corner with PDF selected. See image. It is the “printing workflows” selector. Printing means more than “send to printer,” as you can “print” to a PDF or to PostScript, and then the result can be saved to a file, e-mailed, messaged or otherwise shared. Click on it, select “Save as PDF,” and then choose where to save it (along with some other features).
> 
> I use this feature all the time. It’s brilliant.
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>> On 02/24/2018 02:02 PM, Jon Evans wrote:
>>> Yes I think that's the plan, just needs someone to sign up to write it :)
>>> On Sat, Feb 24, 2018, 14:00 Andrzej Wolski <awolski.kicad@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:awolski.kicad@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:awolski.kicad@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>    Cairo have PDF, SVG and Postscript support. I was once wondering if
>>>    GAL/Cairo could be used for printing.
>>>    Andrzej
>>>    W dniu 2018-02-24 o 19:24, Jon Evans pisze:
>>>>    Yeah, there (at least) three different dialogs that all present
>>>>    similar things (i.e. a list of layers to include, settings, etc):
>>>>
>>>>    Export->SVG
>>>>    Print
>>>>    Plot
>>>>
>>>>    The Print code for Export->SVG seems to just use the same SVG
>>>>    plotter, so maybe it's just mostly GUI cleanup that is needed.
>>>>
>>>>    The main Print code does need an overhaul to use something other
>>>>    than wxDC for graphics generation (and perhaps adding some more
>>>>    features to PDF export)
>>>>
>>>>    -Jon
>>>>
>>>>    On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 1:16 PM, Jeff Young <jeff@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>    <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>        Plot SVG and Export SVG are different.  The former goes
>>>>        through the Plot code while the later goes through the Print
>>>>        code.
>>>>
>>>>        Do we need both?  I haven’t a clue.
>>>>
>>>>        It would be nice to clean this stuff up, if there is in fact a
>>>>        clean way to present it.
>>>>
>>>>        Cheers,
>>>>        Jeff.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>        On 24 Feb 2018, at 14:54, Jon Evans <jon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>        <mailto:jon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>        I agree with this! It has always tripped me up when I switch
>>>>>        back and forth between kicad and other EDA tools.
>>>>>
>>>>>        On Feb 24, 2018 9:31 AM, "Diego Herranz"
>>>>>        <diegoherranz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:diegoherranz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>        <mailto:diegoherranz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>            Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>            Now that so much work is happening on re-structuring
>>>>>            menus, I've remembered something I have always found
>>>>>            weird on pcbnew.
>>>>>
>>>>>            "Plot", from wihch you can obtain Gerbers is not inside
>>>>>            "Fabrication Outputs", but on its own.
>>>>>            I find it weird to have the drill option inside
>>>>>            "Fabrication Outputs" but not the Gerbers (they are
>>>>>            normally needed together and in fact, you can go to
>>>>>            "Drill" from "Plot").
>>>>>
>>>>>            If "Plot" was Gerber only, I would recommend moving it
>>>>>            inside "Fabrication Outputs" straight away but because it
>>>>>            also exports other formats, it's not so straightforward.
>>>>>
>>>>>            I think ideally we would have:
>>>>>
>>>>>            - Fabrication outputs
>>>>>              - Gerber...
>>>>>              - Drill
>>>>>              - ...
>>>>>            - Export
>>>>>              - STEP
>>>>>              - PDF...
>>>>>              - Postcript...
>>>>>              - DXF...
>>>>>              - ...
>>>>>
>>>>>            And I have just noticed SVG can be obtained from "Plot"
>>>>>            or the "Export" submenu. Is it the same?
>>>>>
>>>>>            What do you guys think? I'm not necessarily suggesting
>>>>>            looking into this before KiCad 5, just wanted to have
>>>>>            your view.
>>>>>
>>>>>            Thanks,
>>>>>            Diego
>>>>>
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