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[Andrey Kuznetsov <kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>]

The motherboard project is not very complex, I would say that performance
should be tolerable UP to that size complexity, if we set the bar any
lower, usability will suffer and people won't like KiCad because it's
sluggish and interface lag is the worst kind of lag.
My project isn't finished and Chris' project is available now, is just the
right complexity and has layout that can be used for testing as well as a
schematic.

*LG 5K 27" display running 3200x1800 (the highest resolution without making
text blurry, using this for work every day, so it's extravagant, it's
practical)*

*Actions:* pan with middle mouse, zoom back and forth.

*eeschema:*
Low Res - at least 2 times slower than would be considered normal, I would
have to guess ~400ms lag
Normal - 4-5x slower compared to low res mode ~1700ms lag
Even in low res mode, and removing 75% of the items from Chris' schematic,
the lag is still ~200-300ms, that's just not right. Additionally, I filed
https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054 because the mouse zoom is
screwed up in eeschema, coupled with the lag, it's unusable. Maybe the pan
lag is related to the zoom, maybe there are multiple steps being rendered
when it should just jump to where the mouse ended up at, I don't know.

*pcbnew - **Normal Resolution:*
Accelerated: No-AA, <50ms
Fallback: 500-1000ms for panning, 300-600ms for zoom
Legacy: 1300-1700ms for panning, 600ms for zoom
Low Res mode: did not notice speed increase, except maybe Fallback was
~400ms faster.

I'm not saying halt the horses, certain modes are obviously limited, ie
Legacy and Fallback by the nature of the task presented, but eeschema is
barely displaying 10% of the content pcbnew is but lagging so much worse!

Just thought I'd include rendering of the Accelerated Graphics (top to
bottom: Supersampling 4x, Subpixel AA (Ultra Quality), No AA)
All 3 modes are responsive, probably <50-100ms lag, I'd consider this
performance great, considering the amount of elements on screen.
[image: Inline image 1]

How long should it take to delete this many selected elements in pcbnew?
Answer: about 50x too long! I think it was like 3mins, perhaps ESC key
should be available to press anytime to undo the delete action and restore
to pre-delete screen when accidental actions are triggered that take
forever to complete?
[image: Inline image 2]

On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Bernhard Stegmaier <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> to be honest, I don’t really know what this is about.
>
> @Andrey:
> You looked for a very complex (foreign) project (Chris mainboard?) to
> prove that eeschema is slow on Mac?
> Well, we know that and we told you already some weeks/months ago why it is
> like it is (if memory serves me right).
>
> Or, do you have an own project that is so ridiculously slow, that you
> can’t work with it?
> If so, please provide it so that we can analyse why this specific project
> behaves like that.
> If you can’t or don’t want to provide it we could tell you how to do some
> performance measurements so that we might see something.
>
> Obviously, there are a number of Mac users here and also over at the KiCad
> forum who might also be happy to get some more performance here and there,
> but who are in general reasonably able to work on their projects (including
> myself, on a 2012 Retina MacBook with only an i5).
>
>
> Regards,
> Bernhard
>
> > On 2. Mar 2018, at 17:59, Andy Peters <devel@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Mar 1, 2018, at 8:53 PM, Seth Hillbrand <seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Andrey-
> >>
> >> I'm moving this to a new thread so that we don't conflate the OpenMP
> discussion with this.
> >>
> >> Can you test running Kicad with the "Open in Low Resolution" mode
> enabled?  You can activate this by choosing "Get Info" on the main KiCad
> application and checking the option that says "Open in Low Resolution".
> You may need to do the same for the other applications (Eeschema, pcbnew,
> etc) as well.
> >
> > testing on my 2017” touch-bar MBP …
> >
> > Good g-d, low-res mode looks fuzzy and weird!
> >
> > I don’t notice any specific differences in EESchema performance. Maybe
> my schematic isn’t busy enough? I’m a fan of using more smaller sheets with
> less info on each than one big sheet with everything.
> >
> > I know, anecdote is not evidence.
> >
> > -a
> >
> >
> >>
> >> -Seth
> >>
> >> ​​2018-03-01 18:09 GMT-08:00 Andrey Kuznetsov <kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> So for now I've had a chance to test the motherboard project on my
> Retina macbook display.
> >> eeschema: horrible zoom, feels like elastic band zoom and I have all
> scroll wheel accelerations and similar disabled, zoom response is super
> laggy, cannot work like this, will need to make schematics on windows.
> >> pcbnew by order of slowness:
> >> legacy - pretty slow, zoom lag is major, boo boo
> >> modern (fallback) - decent, but the lag can be felt, zoom lag is minor
> >> modern (accelerated) - almost cannot feel the lag, very nice, nice zoom
> responsiveness
> >>
> >> I'll report tomorrow on 5K LG display.
> >> ​
> >
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