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Message #34679
Re: Mac HighDPI performance
I'm beating a limp horse but this makes it for the case of releasing an
incremental 5.1 before realizing the full roadmap of v6 (which is quite
ambitious, as was the roadmap of v5, which also did not get realized
anyway), there are several projects/features that have or should be pushed
back for after 5.0 is out, but wont cause so much disruption as to
necessitate a full new major release. That way it is so much easier to be
strict on enforcing the freeze if you know the feature will come out in a 6
month incremental release vs this massive new release that is far in the
horizon.
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 6:54 AM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> It is not possible for me to make any kind of accurate time predictions
> about when v6 might be released. KiCad development does not move at a
> constant pace. Right now, we are at an all time high with developer
> involvement but that may not last. We have had a number of developers
> come and go over the years so the project development tends to happen in
> short bursts. I wish I could give you a better answer than that but I
> cannot. I suspect this is the case with most if not all open source
> projects.
>
> Wayne
>
> On 3/4/2018 8:40 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
> > Of course Wayne, that was my way of expressing concern for delaying a
> > performance issue and trying to sauce out your feeling of the possible
> > duration of v6 development.
> > Do you think there is currently manpower and list of features that
> > requires 1 year plus 6 months delay, or do you think it's more like 2
> > years best case and 1 year of delay worst case time of thing?
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 5:03 PM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >
> > When you become the project leader of KiCad, then you can make these
> > decisions and live with the consequences of them. In the mean time,
> > that responsibility falls on my shoulders. We are in a feature
> > freeze for v5 stable so I'm going to err on the side of caution
> > here. If we can pick up some performance gains without pushing the
> > v5 stable release out, then I'm fine with that but if there are any
> > stability issues then we will have to live with what we have.
> > Implementing this at the beginning of v6 and back porting it when
> > it's stable is also acceptable. Hopefully v6 will not take 2-3
> years.
> >
> > Wayne
> >
> > On 03/04/2018 07:00 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
> >
> > If 6.0 is coming in 1 year, OK, but if it's 2-3 years away then
> > I'd say v5.0 should be stable and not have performance issues,
> > in my mind better to delay v5 up to 1 month at most to fix it
> > rather than let it sit like that for 2-3 years.
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 3:39 PM, Jeff Young <jeff@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
> >
> > As for road-map, I’d suggest that EeschemaGAL +
> > newSymbolFileFormat
> > == 6.0. Anything else that can ride along is fine, but not
> > definitive.
> >
> > The legacy stuff represents a tax on all development we do.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jeff.
> >
> >
> > On 4 Mar 2018, at 23:31, Jeff Young <jeff@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
> >
> > Well, I pounded on it a bit more, and it wasn’t really
> > fitting
> > into “easy” /or/ “straight forward”. It’ll have to wait.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jeff.
> >
> > On 4 Mar 2018, at 20:07, Jon Evans
> > <jon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:jon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:jon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
> >
> > We should probably make some kind of road map if it
> > doesn't exist
> > already, concerning the path to GAL for eeschema and
> > who will be
> > doing what. For example, it might make sense to do
> > the SCHEMATIC
> > class refactoring you were talking about before or
> > in parallel
> > with parts of the porting effort.
> >
> > I'm up for working on this too, as soon as my
> > connectivity / bus
> > stuff has landed.
> >
> > -Jon
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 4, 2018, 14:46 Wayne Stambaugh
> > <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
> >
> > I agree. If it's not an easy straight forward
> > fix, I would
> > prefer to
> > spend our precious manpower resources on the GAL
> > port as
> > well. I don't
> > know when in the v6 cycle any of this will
> > happen but I'm
> > guessing it
> > will happen fairly early. Tom or Orson, do
> > either of you
> > have any idea
> > when this will happen?
> >
> > Wayne
> >
> > On 03/04/2018 02:40 PM, Jon Evans wrote:
> > > FWIW, I don't find the existing performance to
> > be unusable,
> > it's just
> > > not up to the standards of PcbNew/GAL. I
> > don't think it's
> > worth any
> > > effort beyond easy fixes, we should put that
> > energy into
> > the GAL port.
> > >
> > > -Jon
> > >
> > > On Sun, Mar 4, 2018, 14:34 Bernhard Stegmaier
> > <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> > > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > I would judge it wrt eeschema GAL
> conversion.
> > > If that starts with v6, I don’t know if it
> > is worth the
> > effort.
> > > If it is unsure when this will happen, it
> > might be
> > worth it.
> > >
> > >
> > >> On 4. Mar 2018, at 20:30, Wayne Stambaugh
> > <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:
> stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > >> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Ughh! I don't have a good answer for
> > this one. My
> > best guess is
> > >> to fix
> > >> the wx macos code first and see what
> > performance
> > issues are left. The
> > >> problem with messing with any of this is
> > that if you break
> > >> something it
> > >> will break all of the legacy canvas
> > rendering not just
> > the schematic
> > >> editor. I would move extremely carefully
> > here. I
> > would prefer
> > >> that we
> > >> don't go too crazy this late in the v5
> > release cycle. If the
> > >> performance is truly not usable on macos,
> > then we may
> > have no choice.
> > >>
> > >> On 03/04/2018 02:07 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
> > >>> It turns out the fonts aren’t really the
> > problem.
> > >>>
> > >>> It starts with this gem in wxWidgets:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > voidwxWidgetCocoaImpl::ScrollRect(constwxRect*rect,
> intdx,intdy)
> > >>>
> > >>> {
> > >>>
> > >>> #if1
> > >>>
> > >>> SetNeedsDisplay();
> > >>>
> > >>> #else
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > //Weshoulddosomethinglikethis,
> butitwasn'tworkingin10.4.
> > >>>
> > >>> if(GetNeedsDisplay())
> > >>>
> > >>> {
> > >>>
> > >>> SetNeedsDisplay() ;
> > >>>
> > >>> }
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > NSRectr=wxToNSRect([m_osxViewsuperview],*rect);
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > NSSizeoffset=NSMakeSize((float)dx,(float)dy);
> > >>>
> > >>> [m_osxViewscrollRect:rby:offset];
> > >>>
> > >>> #endif
> > >>>
> > >>> }
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> SetNeedsDisplay() with no rectangle
> argument
> > invalidates the
> > >>> entire window.
> > >>>
> > >>> Even if you fix that (to scroll most of
> > the window
> > and only
> > >>> invalidate
> > >>> the newly-exposed parts), you run into
> this:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > voidwxWidgetCocoaImpl::drawRect(void*rect,
> WXWidgetslf,void*WXUNUSED(_cmd))
> > >>>
> > >>> {
> > >>>
> > >>> //preparingtheupdateregion
> > >>>
> > >>> wxRegionupdateRgn;
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > //sinceaddingmanyrectstoaregionisacostlyprocess,
> bydefaultusetheboundingrect
> > >>>
> > >>> #if0
> > >>>
> > >>> constNSRect*rects;
> > >>>
> > >>> NSIntegercount;
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > [slfgetRectsBeingDrawn:&rectscount:&count];
> > >>>
> > >>> for(inti=0;i<count;++i)
> > >>>
> > >>> {
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > updateRgn.Union(wxFromNSRect(slf,rects[i]));
> > >>>
> > >>> }
> > >>>
> > >>> #else
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > updateRgn.Union(wxFromNSRect(slf,*(NSRect*)rect));
> > >>>
> > >>> #endif
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> …which will /also/ cause the whole
> > window to be
> > repainted if there’s
> > >>> both an invalidated horizontal strip and
> > a vertical one.
> > >>>
> > >>> And the latter turns out to be pretty
> > much guaranteed
> > by this
> > >>> one, which
> > >>> batches repaints:
> > >>>
> > >>> voidwxNonOwnedWindow::Update()
> > >>>
> > >>> {
> > >>>
> > >>> if(clock()-s_lastFlush>
> CLOCKS_PER_SEC/30)
> > >>>
> > >>> {
> > >>>
> > >>> s_lastFlush=clock();
> > >>>
> > >>> m_nowpeer->Update();
> > >>>
> > >>> }
> > >>>
> > >>> }
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> But even Kicad isn’t blameless. Once
> > you fix all
> > those there’s
> > >>> still no
> > >>> checking in SCH_SCREEN::Draw() to see if
> the
> > individual draw items
> > >>> intersect the update region. (Sure, the
> > actually
> > drawing is
> > >>> clipped in
> > >>> the end, but you still go through a
> > /lot/ of code to
> > get there.)
> > >>>
> > >>> All of these are fixable, and we’ve
> > already crossed
> > the Rubicon of
> > >>> having our own OSX wxWidgets branch.
> > >>>
> > >>> But it’s still a reasonable amount of
> > work, with a
> > non-trivial risk
> > >>> profile. Should I continue?
> > >>>
> > >>> Cheers,
> > >>> Jeff.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> On 4 Mar 2018, at 01:30, Bernhard
> Stegmaier
> > >>>> <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
> > >>>> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> No.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On 4. Mar 2018, at 01:51, Andrey
> Kuznetsov
> > <kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> > >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Would it be an easy fix to change the
> > text/font
> > such that it
> > >>>>> does not
> > >>>>> affect performance so significantly on
> > MacOS?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 5:20 AM, Wayne
> > Stambaugh
> > >>>>> <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:
> stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:
> stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> > >>>>> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On 03/03/2018 07:33 AM, Jeff Young
> > wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Hi Andrey,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I did some profiling and I’d
> > guess that the
> > difference in
> > >>>>> eeschema and pcbnew-legacy
> > performance is
> > down to there
> > >>>>> being
> > >>>>> more text in the schema. Since
> > we use a
> > stroke font,
> > >>>>> there’s
> > >>>>> a lot of stroke segments in
> > each letter.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> @Devs,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I understand why we use a
> > stroke font on the
> > PCB, but
> > >>>>> there’s
> > >>>>> not much reason in eeschema, is
> > there?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> This is possibly one of the things
> > that I plan
> > on changing after
> > >>>>> the new schematic file format is
> > written. The
> > new file format
> > >>>>> will support font definitions so
> > replacing the
> > stroke font in
> > >>>>> Eeschema should be doable. Whether
> > or not I have
> > time to make
> > >>>>> this change remains to be seen.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Wayne
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Cheers,
> > >>>>> Jeff.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On 3 Mar 2018, at 08:18,
> > Andrey Kuznetsov
> > >>>>> <kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> > >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> The motherboard project is
> > not very
> > complex, I would say
> > >>>>> that performance should be
> > tolerable UP
> > to that size
> > >>>>> complexity, if we set the
> > bar any lower,
> > usability will
> > >>>>> suffer and people won't
> > like KiCad
> > because it's sluggish
> > >>>>> and interface lag is the
> > worst kind of lag.
> > >>>>> My project isn't finished
> > and Chris'
> > project is
> > >>>>> available
> > >>>>> now, is just the right
> > complexity and
> > has layout
> > >>>>> that can
> > >>>>> be used for testing as well
> > as a schematic.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> *LG 5K 27" display running
> > 3200x1800
> > (the highest
> > >>>>> resolution without making
> > text blurry,
> > using this for
> > >>>>> work every day, so it's
> > extravagant,
> > it's practical)*
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> *Actions:* pan with middle
> > mouse, zoom
> > back and forth.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> *eeschema:*
> > >>>>> Low Res - at least 2 times
> > slower than
> > would be
> > >>>>> considered normal, I would
> > have to guess
> > ~400ms lag
> > >>>>> Normal - 4-5x slower
> > compared to low res
> > mode
> > >>>>> ~1700ms lag
> > >>>>> Even in low res mode, and
> > removing 75%
> > of the items from
> > >>>>> Chris' schematic, the lag
> > is still
> > ~200-300ms, that's
> > >>>>> just not right.
> > Additionally, I filed
> > >>>>>
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054
> > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054>
> > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054
> > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054>>
> > >>>>>
> > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/
> 1753054
> > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054>
> > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054
> > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054>>>
> because
> > >>>>> the mouse zoom is screwed
> up in
> > eeschema, coupled with
> > >>>>> the lag, it's unusable.
> > Maybe the pan
> > lag is related to
> > >>>>> the zoom, maybe there are
> > multiple steps
> > being rendered
> > >>>>> when it should just jump to
> > where the
> > mouse ended up at,
> > >>>>> I don't know.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> *pcbnew - **Normal
> Resolution:*
> > >>>>> Accelerated: No-AA, <50ms
> > >>>>> Fallback: 500-1000ms for
> > panning,
> > 300-600ms for zoom
> > >>>>> Legacy: 1300-1700ms for
> > panning, 600ms
> > for zoom
> > >>>>> Low Res mode: did not
> > notice speed
> > increase, except
> > >>>>> maybe
> > >>>>> Fallback was ~400ms faster.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I'm not saying halt the
> > horses, certain
> > modes are
> > >>>>> obviously limited, ie
> > Legacy and
> > Fallback by the nature
> > >>>>> of the task presented, but
> > eeschema is
> > barely displaying
> > >>>>> 10% of the content pcbnew
> > is but lagging
> > so much worse!
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Just thought I'd include
> > rendering of
> > the Accelerated
> > >>>>> Graphics (top to bottom:
> > Supersampling
> > 4x, Subpixel AA
> > >>>>> (Ultra Quality), No AA)
> > >>>>> All 3 modes are responsive,
> > probably
> > <50-100ms lag, I'd
> > >>>>> consider this performance
> > great,
> > considering the amount
> > >>>>> of elements on screen.
> > >>>>> <image.png>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> How long should it take to
> > delete this
> > many selected
> > >>>>> elements in pcbnew?
> > >>>>> Answer: about 50x too long!
> > I think it
> > was like 3mins,
> > >>>>> perhaps ESC key should be
> > available to
> > press anytime to
> > >>>>> undo the delete action and
> > restore to
> > pre-delete screen
> > >>>>> when accidental actions are
> > triggered
> > that take forever
> > >>>>> to complete?
> > >>>>> <image.png>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 9:53
> > AM, Bernhard
> > Stegmaier
> > >>>>> <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> > >>>>> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>> <mailto:stegmaier@sw-
> systems.de
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
> > >>>>>
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> > >>>>>
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Hi,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> to be honest, I don’t
> > really know
> > what this is
> > >>>>> about.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> @Andrey:
> > >>>>> You looked for a very
> > complex
> > (foreign) project
> > >>>>> (Chris mainboard?)
> > >>>>> to prove that eeschema
> > is slow on Mac?
> > >>>>> Well, we know that and
> > we told you
> > already some
> > >>>>> weeks/months ago
> > >>>>> why it is like it is
> > (if memory
> > serves me right).
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Or, do you have an own
> > project that
> > is so
> > >>>>> ridiculously slow, that
> > >>>>> you can’t work with it?
> > >>>>> If so, please provide
> > it so that we
> > can analyse why
> > >>>>> this specific
> > >>>>> project behaves like
> that.
> > >>>>> If you can’t or don’t
> > want to
> > provide it we could
> > >>>>> tell you how to
> > >>>>> do some performance
> > measurements so
> > that we
> > >>>>> might see
> > >>>>> something.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Obviously, there are a
> > number of Mac
> > users here and
> > >>>>> also over at
> > >>>>> the KiCad forum who
> > might also be
> > happy to get
> > >>>>> some more
> > >>>>> performance here and
> > there, but who
> > are in general
> > >>>>> reasonably able
> > >>>>> to work on their
> > projects (including
> > myself, on a
> > >>>>> 2012 Retina
> > >>>>> MacBook with only an
> i5).
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Regards,
> > >>>>> Bernhard
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> > On 2. Mar 2018, at
> > 17:59, Andy Peters
> > >>>>> <devel@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > >>>>> <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>>> <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>> <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> >> On Mar 1, 2018, at
> > 8:53 PM, Seth
> > Hillbrand
> > >>>>>
> > <seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:seth.hillbrand@gmail.
> com>
> > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > >>>>> <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> > >>>>>
> > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> > >>>>>
> > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > >>>>>
> > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> Andrey-
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> I'm moving this to a
> > new thread
> > so that we don't
> > >>>>> conflate the
> > >>>>> OpenMP discussion with
> > this.
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> Can you test running
> > Kicad with
> > the "Open in Low
> > >>>>> Resolution"
> > >>>>> mode enabled? You can
> > activate this
> > by choosing
> > >>>>> "Get
> > >>>>> Info" on the
> > >>>>> main KiCad application
> > and checking
> > the option that
> > >>>>> says "Open in
> > >>>>> Low Resolution". You
> > may need to do
> > the same
> > >>>>> for the
> > >>>>> other
> > >>>>> applications (Eeschema,
> > pcbnew, etc)
> > as well.
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> > testing on my 2017”
> > touch-bar MBP …
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> > Good g-d, low-res
> > mode looks fuzzy
> > and weird!
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> > I don’t notice any
> > specific
> > differences in
> > >>>>> EESchema
> > >>>>> performance.
> > >>>>> Maybe my schematic
> > isn’t busy
> > enough? I’m a fan of
> > >>>>> using more
> > >>>>> smaller sheets with
> > less info on
> > each than one big
> > >>>>> sheet with
> > >>>>> everything.
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> > I know, anecdote is
> > not evidence.
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> > -a
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> -Seth
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> 2018-03-01 18:09
> > GMT-08:00
> > Andrey Kuznetsov
> > >>>>> <kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> > >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>> <mailto:
> kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>:
> > >>>>> >> Hi,
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> So for now I've had
> > a chance to
> > test the
> > >>>>> motherboard project on
> > >>>>> my Retina macbook
> display.
> > >>>>> >> eeschema: horrible
> > zoom, feels
> > like elastic band
> > >>>>> zoom and I
> > >>>>> have all scroll wheel
> > accelerations
> > and similar
> > >>>>> disabled, zoom
> > >>>>> response is super
> > laggy, cannot work
> > like this, will
> > >>>>> need to make
> > >>>>> schematics on windows.
> > >>>>> >> pcbnew by order of
> > slowness:
> > >>>>> >> legacy - pretty
> > slow, zoom lag is
> > major, boo boo
> > >>>>> >> modern (fallback) -
> > decent, but
> > the lag can be
> > >>>>> felt, zoom lag
> > >>>>> is minor
> > >>>>> >> modern (accelerated)
> > - almost
> > cannot feel the
> > >>>>> lag,
> > >>>>> very nice,
> > >>>>> nice zoom responsiveness
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> I'll report tomorrow
> > on 5K LG
> > display.
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> >
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> > >>>>> Remember The Past, Live The
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> > >>>>> Those who look only to the
> > past or the
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> > >>>>> certain to miss the future
> > [JFK]
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> > >>>>> Live Long and Prosper,
> > >>>>> Andrey
> > >>>>>
> > _________________
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> > Those who look only to the past or the present are certain to miss the
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