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Message #34689
Re: Mac HighDPI performance
I think you're describing something similar to this:
http://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/
which I think can work pretty well. It does require more work/dedication
than the model KiCad uses today.
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 10:19 AM, José Ignacio <jose.cyborg@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Once the point release is done, no more bugfix releases are necessary on
> the previous one, that should reduce the effort of backporting fixes to a
> codebase that was branched way back. As it is right now, fixing a bug that
> affects both stable and dev 1 year in the future would mean writing a patch
> for 2 pretty different looking codebases (and the bug might not even exist
> in dev because the code was rewritten), so either the effort is (almost)
> duplicated or the bug goes unfixed.
>
> One way this could work is to, instead of keeping a stale branch with the
> stable release where fixes need to be backported/cherry-picked to, just
> keep big destabilizing changes away from Master. And make all stable
> releases be just a tag in Master, with a x.x-bugfix branch existing only if
> a bug fix had to be backported before the next point release was ready, big
> features that can leave kicad unstable or incompatible can go into a
> staging branch that gets pulled into master when the next point release
> merge window opens. Those disruptions almost never happened during 5.0
> development, most of the time devs have been exceptionally good at keeping
> kicad stable and compatible throughout the dev process, except where it
> couldn't be avoided (like the big sym-lib-table change).
>
> On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 8:52 AM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>> There is no formal process. It's primarily based on discussion on the
>> mailing list and me making the final decisions. The road maps live in
>> the kicad source repo in the /Documentation/development/ folder. They
>> definitely need updated. I just haven't gotten around to updating them.
>> I was going to do that sometime after the v5 release.
>>
>> As for a v5.1, we have not done point releases in the past due to lack
>> of manpower. I have done most of the stable branch maintenance and it's
>> more work than you would think and I just don't have the time to add
>> point releases to my list of responsibilities. If someone proposes a
>> reasonable way to do this without tying up a lot of developer time then
>> I'm not opposed to it. Please keep in mind the long term ramifications
>> of potentially maintaining multiple stable branches when developers
>> leave the project. If we could always depend on a given level of
>> developer time, this probably wouldn't be that big of an issue but we
>> cannot depend on any guaranteed level of manpower. Maybe in the future
>> that is a luxury we will have.
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>> On 3/5/2018 9:36 AM, Jon Evans wrote:
>> > Do we have a process or workflow for proposing changes to the roadmap?
>> > A number of the things from the V5 roadmap didn't happen, so it might
>> > make sense to move some things around to V6 (and possibly a V5.1)
>> roadmaps
>> >
>> > -Jon
>> >
>> > On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 9:12 AM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Jon,
>> >
>> > The v6 road map is here:
>> >
>> > http://docs.kicad-pcb.org/doxygen/v6_road_map.html
>> > <http://docs.kicad-pcb.org/doxygen/v6_road_map.html>
>> >
>> > I was planning on working on the schematic object but I wouldn't be
>> > offended if you want to implement it. If you do decide to work on
>> this,
>> > please keep me in the loop. I have some things that I definitely
>> want
>> > implemented as part of this object most of which you have probably
>> > already run into with your connectivity work.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Wayne
>> >
>> >
>> > On 3/4/2018 3:07 PM, Jon Evans wrote:
>> > > We should probably make some kind of road map if it doesn't exist
>> > > already, concerning the path to GAL for eeschema and who will be
>> doing
>> > > what. For example, it might make sense to do the SCHEMATIC class
>> > > refactoring you were talking about before or in parallel with
>> parts of
>> > > the porting effort.
>> > >
>> > > I'm up for working on this too, as soon as my connectivity / bus
>> stuff
>> > > has landed.
>> > >
>> > > -Jon
>> > >
>> > > On Sun, Mar 4, 2018, 14:46 Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I agree. If it's not an easy straight forward fix, I would
>> prefer to
>> > > spend our precious manpower resources on the GAL port as
>> well. I don't
>> > > know when in the v6 cycle any of this will happen but I'm
>> guessing it
>> > > will happen fairly early. Tom or Orson, do either of you
>> have any idea
>> > > when this will happen?
>> > >
>> > > Wayne
>> > >
>> > > On 03/04/2018 02:40 PM, Jon Evans wrote:
>> > > > FWIW, I don't find the existing performance to be unusable,
>> it's just
>> > > > not up to the standards of PcbNew/GAL. I don't think it's
>> worth any
>> > > > effort beyond easy fixes, we should put that energy into
>> the GAL
>> > > port.
>> > > >
>> > > > -Jon
>> > > >
>> > > > On Sun, Mar 4, 2018, 14:34 Bernhard Stegmaier
>> > > <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>> > > > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:
>> stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > I would judge it wrt eeschema GAL conversion.
>> > > > If that starts with v6, I don’t know if it is worth the
>> effort.
>> > > > If it is unsure when this will happen, it might be
>> worth it.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >> On 4. Mar 2018, at 20:30, Wayne Stambaugh
>> > > <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>
>> > > >> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:
>> stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Ughh! I don't have a good answer for this one. My
>> > best guess is
>> > > >> to fix
>> > > >> the wx macos code first and see what performance
>> issues are
>> > > left. The
>> > > >> problem with messing with any of this is that if you
>> break
>> > > >> something it
>> > > >> will break all of the legacy canvas rendering not just
>> the
>> > > schematic
>> > > >> editor. I would move extremely carefully here. I
>> > would prefer
>> > > >> that we
>> > > >> don't go too crazy this late in the v5 release cycle.
>> > If the
>> > > >> performance is truly not usable on macos, then we may
>> > have no
>> > > choice.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> On 03/04/2018 02:07 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
>> > > >>> It turns out the fonts aren’t really the problem.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> It starts with this gem in wxWidgets:
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>
>> > >
>> > voidwxWidgetCocoaImpl::ScrollRect(constwxRect*rect,int
>> dx,intdy)
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> {
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> #if1
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> SetNeedsDisplay();
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> #else
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> //Weshoulddosomethingliket
>> his,butitwasn'tworkingin10.4.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> if(GetNeedsDisplay())
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> {
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> SetNeedsDisplay() ;
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> }
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> NSRectr=wxToNSRect([m_osxViewsuperview],*rect);
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> NSSizeoffset=NSMakeSize((float)dx,(float)dy);
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> [m_osxViewscrollRect:rby:offset];
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> #endif
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> }
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> SetNeedsDisplay() with no rectangle argument
>> > invalidates the
>> > > >>> entire window.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> Even if you fix that (to scroll most of the window and
>> > only
>> > > >>> invalidate
>> > > >>> the newly-exposed parts), you run into this:
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>
>> > >
>> > voidwxWidgetCocoaImpl::drawRect(void*rect,WXWidgetslf,
>> void*WXUNUSED(_cmd))
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> {
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> //preparingtheupdateregion
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> wxRegionupdateRgn;
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>
>> > >
>> > //sinceaddingmanyrectstoaregionisacostlyprocess,bydefa
>> ultusetheboundingrect
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> #if0
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> constNSRect*rects;
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> NSIntegercount;
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> [slfgetRectsBeingDrawn:&rectscount:&count];
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> for(inti=0;i<count;++i)
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> {
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> updateRgn.Union(wxFromNSRect(slf,rects[i]));
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> }
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> #else
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> updateRgn.Union(wxFromNSRect(slf,*(NSRect*)rect));
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> #endif
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> …which will /also/ cause the whole window to be
>> > repainted if
>> > > there’s
>> > > >>> both an invalidated horizontal strip and a vertical
>> one.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> And the latter turns out to be pretty much guaranteed
>> > by this
>> > > >>> one, which
>> > > >>> batches repaints:
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> voidwxNonOwnedWindow::Update()
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> {
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> if(clock()-s_lastFlush>CLOCKS_PER_SEC/30)
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> {
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> s_lastFlush=clock();
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> m_nowpeer->Update();
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> }
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> }
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> But even Kicad isn’t blameless. Once you fix all
>> > those there’s
>> > > >>> still no
>> > > >>> checking in SCH_SCREEN::Draw() to see if the
>> > individual draw
>> > > items
>> > > >>> intersect the update region. (Sure, the actually
>> > drawing is
>> > > >>> clipped in
>> > > >>> the end, but you still go through a /lot/ of code to
>> > get there.)
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> All of these are fixable, and we’ve already crossed
>> the
>> > > Rubicon of
>> > > >>> having our own OSX wxWidgets branch.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> But it’s still a reasonable amount of work, with a
>> > > non-trivial risk
>> > > >>> profile. Should I continue?
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> Cheers,
>> > > >>> Jeff.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>> On 4 Mar 2018, at 01:30, Bernhard Stegmaier
>> > > >>>> <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>> > > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>> > > >>>> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:
>> stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:
>> stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> No.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>> On 4. Mar 2018, at 01:51, Andrey Kuznetsov
>> > > <kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
>> > > >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>> > > >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:
>> kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Would it be an easy fix to change the text/font
>> such that it
>> > > >>>>> does not
>> > > >>>>> affect performance so significantly on MacOS?
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 5:20 AM, Wayne Stambaugh
>> > > >>>>> <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>
>> > > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>> > > >>>>> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>>
>> > wrote:
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> On 03/03/2018 07:33 AM, Jeff Young wrote:
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Hi Andrey,
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> I did some profiling and I’d guess that the
>> > > difference in
>> > > >>>>> eeschema and pcbnew-legacy performance is
>> > down to there
>> > > >>>>> being
>> > > >>>>> more text in the schema. Since we use a
>> > stroke font,
>> > > >>>>> there’s
>> > > >>>>> a lot of stroke segments in each letter.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> @Devs,
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> I understand why we use a stroke font on the
>> > PCB, but
>> > > >>>>> there’s
>> > > >>>>> not much reason in eeschema, is there?
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> This is possibly one of the things that I plan on
>> > > changing after
>> > > >>>>> the new schematic file format is written. The
>> > new file
>> > > format
>> > > >>>>> will support font definitions so replacing the
>> stroke
>> > > font in
>> > > >>>>> Eeschema should be doable. Whether or not I have
>> time
>> > > to make
>> > > >>>>> this change remains to be seen.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Wayne
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Cheers,
>> > > >>>>> Jeff.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> On 3 Mar 2018, at 08:18, Andrey Kuznetsov
>> > > >>>>> <kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
>> > > >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:
>> kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>> > > >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
>> > > >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>
>> > wrote:
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> The motherboard project is not very
>> > complex, I
>> > > would say
>> > > >>>>> that performance should be tolerable UP
>> > to that
>> > > size
>> > > >>>>> complexity, if we set the bar any lower,
>> > > usability will
>> > > >>>>> suffer and people won't like KiCad
>> > because it's
>> > > sluggish
>> > > >>>>> and interface lag is the worst kind of
>> lag.
>> > > >>>>> My project isn't finished and Chris'
>> > project is
>> > > >>>>> available
>> > > >>>>> now, is just the right complexity and has
>> > layout
>> > > >>>>> that can
>> > > >>>>> be used for testing as well as a
>> schematic.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> *LG 5K 27" display running 3200x1800 (the
>> > highest
>> > > >>>>> resolution without making text blurry,
>> using
>> > > this for
>> > > >>>>> work every day, so it's extravagant, it's
>> > > practical)*
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> *Actions:* pan with middle mouse, zoom
>> > back and
>> > > forth.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> *eeschema:*
>> > > >>>>> Low Res - at least 2 times slower than
>> > would be
>> > > >>>>> considered normal, I would have to guess
>> > ~400ms lag
>> > > >>>>> Normal - 4-5x slower compared to low res
>> mode
>> > > >>>>> ~1700ms lag
>> > > >>>>> Even in low res mode, and removing 75%
>> of the
>> > > items from
>> > > >>>>> Chris' schematic, the lag is still
>> > ~200-300ms,
>> > > that's
>> > > >>>>> just not right. Additionally, I filed
>> > > >>>>>
>> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054
>> > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054
>> > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054>>
>> > > because
>> > > >>>>> the mouse zoom is screwed up in eeschema,
>> > > coupled with
>> > > >>>>> the lag, it's unusable. Maybe the pan
>> lag is
>> > > related to
>> > > >>>>> the zoom, maybe there are multiple steps
>> > being
>> > > rendered
>> > > >>>>> when it should just jump to where the
>> mouse
>> > > ended up at,
>> > > >>>>> I don't know.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> *pcbnew - **Normal Resolution:*
>> > > >>>>> Accelerated: No-AA, <50ms
>> > > >>>>> Fallback: 500-1000ms for panning,
>> > 300-600ms for
>> > > zoom
>> > > >>>>> Legacy: 1300-1700ms for panning, 600ms
>> > for zoom
>> > > >>>>> Low Res mode: did not notice speed
>> > increase, except
>> > > >>>>> maybe
>> > > >>>>> Fallback was ~400ms faster.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> I'm not saying halt the horses, certain
>> > modes are
>> > > >>>>> obviously limited, ie Legacy and
>> Fallback by
>> > > the nature
>> > > >>>>> of the task presented, but eeschema is
>> barely
>> > > displaying
>> > > >>>>> 10% of the content pcbnew is but lagging
>> so
>> > > much worse!
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Just thought I'd include rendering of the
>> > > Accelerated
>> > > >>>>> Graphics (top to bottom: Supersampling
>> 4x,
>> > > Subpixel AA
>> > > >>>>> (Ultra Quality), No AA)
>> > > >>>>> All 3 modes are responsive, probably
>> > <50-100ms
>> > > lag, I'd
>> > > >>>>> consider this performance great,
>> considering
>> > > the amount
>> > > >>>>> of elements on screen.
>> > > >>>>> <image.png>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> How long should it take to delete this
>> many
>> > > selected
>> > > >>>>> elements in pcbnew?
>> > > >>>>> Answer: about 50x too long! I think it
>> > was like
>> > > 3mins,
>> > > >>>>> perhaps ESC key should be available to
>> press
>> > > anytime to
>> > > >>>>> undo the delete action and restore to
>> > > pre-delete screen
>> > > >>>>> when accidental actions are triggered
>> > that take
>> > > forever
>> > > >>>>> to complete?
>> > > >>>>> <image.png>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Bernhard
>> > Stegmaier
>> > > >>>>> <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:
>> stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>> > > >>>>> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:
>> stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>> > > >>>>> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:
>> stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>> > > >>>>> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote:
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Hi,
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> to be honest, I don’t really know
>> > what this is
>> > > >>>>> about.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> @Andrey:
>> > > >>>>> You looked for a very complex
>> > (foreign) project
>> > > >>>>> (Chris mainboard?)
>> > > >>>>> to prove that eeschema is slow on
>> Mac?
>> > > >>>>> Well, we know that and we told you
>> > already some
>> > > >>>>> weeks/months ago
>> > > >>>>> why it is like it is (if memory
>> serves me
>> > > right).
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Or, do you have an own project that
>> is so
>> > > >>>>> ridiculously slow, that
>> > > >>>>> you can’t work with it?
>> > > >>>>> If so, please provide it so that we
>> can
>> > > analyse why
>> > > >>>>> this specific
>> > > >>>>> project behaves like that.
>> > > >>>>> If you can’t or don’t want to provide
>> > it we
>> > > could
>> > > >>>>> tell you how to
>> > > >>>>> do some performance measurements so
>> > that we
>> > > >>>>> might see
>> > > >>>>> something.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Obviously, there are a number of Mac
>> > users
>> > > here and
>> > > >>>>> also over at
>> > > >>>>> the KiCad forum who might also be
>> > happy to get
>> > > >>>>> some more
>> > > >>>>> performance here and there, but who
>> > are in
>> > > general
>> > > >>>>> reasonably able
>> > > >>>>> to work on their projects (including
>> > > myself, on a
>> > > >>>>> 2012 Retina
>> > > >>>>> MacBook with only an i5).
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Regards,
>> > > >>>>> Bernhard
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> > On 2. Mar 2018, at 17:59, Andy
>> Peters
>> > > >>>>> <devel@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx
>> >
>> > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>>
>> > > >>>>> <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>>> <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>> <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote:
>> > > >>>>> >
>> > > >>>>> >
>> > > >>>>> >
>> > > >>>>> >> On Mar 1, 2018, at 8:53 PM, Seth
>> > Hillbrand
>> > > >>>>> <seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>>
>> > > >>>>> <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>> > > >>>>> <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>> > > >>>>> <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>>
>> > > >>>>> <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote:
>> > > >>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> Andrey-
>> > > >>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> I'm moving this to a new thread so
>> > that
>> > > we don't
>> > > >>>>> conflate the
>> > > >>>>> OpenMP discussion with this.
>> > > >>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> Can you test running Kicad with
>> the
>> > > "Open in Low
>> > > >>>>> Resolution"
>> > > >>>>> mode enabled? You can activate this
>> by
>> > > choosing
>> > > >>>>> "Get
>> > > >>>>> Info" on the
>> > > >>>>> main KiCad application and checking
>> the
>> > > option that
>> > > >>>>> says "Open in
>> > > >>>>> Low Resolution". You may need to do
>> > the same
>> > > >>>>> for the
>> > > >>>>> other
>> > > >>>>> applications (Eeschema, pcbnew, etc)
>> > as well.
>> > > >>>>> >
>> > > >>>>> > testing on my 2017” touch-bar MBP …
>> > > >>>>> >
>> > > >>>>> > Good g-d, low-res mode looks fuzzy
>> > and weird!
>> > > >>>>> >
>> > > >>>>> > I don’t notice any specific
>> > differences in
>> > > >>>>> EESchema
>> > > >>>>> performance.
>> > > >>>>> Maybe my schematic isn’t busy enough?
>> > I’m a
>> > > fan of
>> > > >>>>> using more
>> > > >>>>> smaller sheets with less info on each
>> > than
>> > > one big
>> > > >>>>> sheet with
>> > > >>>>> everything.
>> > > >>>>> >
>> > > >>>>> > I know, anecdote is not evidence.
>> > > >>>>> >
>> > > >>>>> > -a
>> > > >>>>> >
>> > > >>>>> >
>> > > >>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> -Seth
>> > > >>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> 2018-03-01 18:09 GMT-08:00
>> Andrey
>> > > Kuznetsov
>> > > >>>>> <kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
>> > > >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:
>> kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>> > > >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>:
>> > > >>>>> >> Hi,
>> > > >>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> So for now I've had a chance to
>> > test the
>> > > >>>>> motherboard project on
>> > > >>>>> my Retina macbook display.
>> > > >>>>> >> eeschema: horrible zoom, feels
>> like
>> > > elastic band
>> > > >>>>> zoom and I
>> > > >>>>> have all scroll wheel accelerations
>> > and similar
>> > > >>>>> disabled, zoom
>> > > >>>>> response is super laggy, cannot work
>> like
>> > > this, will
>> > > >>>>> need to make
>> > > >>>>> schematics on windows.
>> > > >>>>> >> pcbnew by order of slowness:
>> > > >>>>> >> legacy - pretty slow, zoom lag is
>> > major,
>> > > boo boo
>> > > >>>>> >> modern (fallback) - decent, but
>> > the lag
>> > > can be
>> > > >>>>> felt, zoom lag
>> > > >>>>> is minor
>> > > >>>>> >> modern (accelerated) - almost
>> cannot
>> > > feel the
>> > > >>>>> lag,
>> > > >>>>> very nice,
>> > > >>>>> nice zoom responsiveness
>> > > >>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >> I'll report tomorrow on 5K LG
>> display.
>> > > >>>>> >>
>> > > >>>>> >
>> > > >>>>> >
>> > > >>>>> >
>> > > _______________________________________________
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>> > > <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>> > > <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>> > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers
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>> > > >>>>> --
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>> > present are
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>> > > >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:
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>> > > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>> > > >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
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>> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>>
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>> > > >>>>> Andrey
>> > > >>>>>
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> > > >>>>> --
>> > > >>>>> Remember The Past, Live The Present, Change The
>> Future
>> > > >>>>> Those who look only to the past or the present are
>> > certain
>> > > to miss
>> > > >>>>> the future [JFK]
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
>> > > >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:
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>> > > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>
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>> > <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > > <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>> > > <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>> > > >>> <mailto:kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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