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Message #34716
Re: Mac HighDPI performance
OK, back to the original topic, for which I still have a question.
I am testing on Windows and on MacOS, why is it that on Windows, it's
smooth as butter and on macOS it takes >1s to pan? I know Jeff said it's
the font but isn't it the same thing on Windows, but windows is fast...
I just noticed that on macOS it says that KiCAD and eeschema do NOT require
high performance GPU! Why is that and will enabling that improve the
graphics performance that's causing the issues?
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 7:58 AM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> The problem with this branching method is that virtually no one else but
> the developer who is working in a feature branch actually tests the code
> in the feature branch. If you are lucky, one other person developer
> will test it. That is why I don't really like this model. Our
> development branch gets a high amount of user testing since it's readily
> available in nightly builds. This results in bugs being fixed quickly
> and helps keep the development branch reasonably stable.
>
> On 3/5/2018 10:23 AM, Jon Evans wrote:
> > I think you're describing something similar to
> > this: http://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/
> > which I think can work pretty well. It does require more
> > work/dedication than the model KiCad uses today.
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 10:19 AM, José Ignacio <jose.cyborg@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:jose.cyborg@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >
> > Once the point release is done, no more bugfix releases are
> > necessary on the previous one, that should reduce the effort of
> > backporting fixes to a codebase that was branched way back. As it is
> > right now, fixing a bug that affects both stable and dev 1 year in
> > the future would mean writing a patch for 2 pretty different looking
> > codebases (and the bug might not even exist in dev because the code
> > was rewritten), so either the effort is (almost) duplicated or the
> > bug goes unfixed.
> >
> > One way this could work is to, instead of keeping a stale branch
> > with the stable release where fixes need to be
> > backported/cherry-picked to, just keep big destabilizing changes
> > away from Master. And make all stable releases be just a tag in
> > Master, with a x.x-bugfix branch existing only if a bug fix had to
> > be backported before the next point release was ready, big features
> > that can leave kicad unstable or incompatible can go into a staging
> > branch that gets pulled into master when the next point release
> > merge window opens. Those disruptions almost never happened during
> > 5.0 development, most of the time devs have been exceptionally good
> > at keeping kicad stable and compatible throughout the dev process,
> > except where it couldn't be avoided (like the big sym-lib-table
> change).
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 8:52 AM, Wayne Stambaugh
> > <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >
> > There is no formal process. It's primarily based on discussion
> > on the
> > mailing list and me making the final decisions. The road maps
> > live in
> > the kicad source repo in the /Documentation/development/
> > folder. They
> > definitely need updated. I just haven't gotten around to
> > updating them.
> > I was going to do that sometime after the v5 release.
> >
> > As for a v5.1, we have not done point releases in the past due
> > to lack
> > of manpower. I have done most of the stable branch maintenance
> > and it's
> > more work than you would think and I just don't have the time to
> add
> > point releases to my list of responsibilities. If someone
> > proposes a
> > reasonable way to do this without tying up a lot of developer
> > time then
> > I'm not opposed to it. Please keep in mind the long term
> > ramifications
> > of potentially maintaining multiple stable branches when
> developers
> > leave the project. If we could always depend on a given level of
> > developer time, this probably wouldn't be that big of an issue
> > but we
> > cannot depend on any guaranteed level of manpower. Maybe in the
> > future
> > that is a luxury we will have.
> >
> > Wayne
> >
> > On 3/5/2018 9:36 AM, Jon Evans wrote:
> > > Do we have a process or workflow for proposing changes to the
> roadmap?
> > > A number of the things from the V5 roadmap didn't happen, so
> it might
> > > make sense to move some things around to V6 (and possibly a
> V5.1) roadmaps
> > >
> > > -Jon
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 9:12 AM, Wayne Stambaugh <
> stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Jon,
> > >
> > > The v6 road map is here:
> > >
> > > http://docs.kicad-pcb.org/doxygen/v6_road_map.html
> > <http://docs.kicad-pcb.org/doxygen/v6_road_map.html>
> > > <http://docs.kicad-pcb.org/doxygen/v6_road_map.html
> > <http://docs.kicad-pcb.org/doxygen/v6_road_map.html>>
> > >
> > > I was planning on working on the schematic object but I
> wouldn't be
> > > offended if you want to implement it. If you do decide to
> work on this,
> > > please keep me in the loop. I have some things that I
> definitely want
> > > implemented as part of this object most of which you have
> probably
> > > already run into with your connectivity work.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Wayne
> > >
> > >
> > > On 3/4/2018 3:07 PM, Jon Evans wrote:
> > > > We should probably make some kind of road map if it
> doesn't exist
> > > > already, concerning the path to GAL for eeschema and who
> will be doing
> > > > what. For example, it might make sense to do the
> SCHEMATIC class
> > > > refactoring you were talking about before or in parallel
> with parts of
> > > > the porting effort.
> > > >
> > > > I'm up for working on this too, as soon as my
> connectivity / bus stuff
> > > > has landed.
> > > >
> > > > -Jon
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Mar 4, 2018, 14:46 Wayne Stambaugh <
> stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > > > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:
> stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I agree. If it's not an easy straight forward fix,
> I would prefer to
> > > > spend our precious manpower resources on the GAL
> port as well. I don't
> > > > know when in the v6 cycle any of this will happen
> but I'm guessing it
> > > > will happen fairly early. Tom or Orson, do either
> of you have any idea
> > > > when this will happen?
> > > >
> > > > Wayne
> > > >
> > > > On 03/04/2018 02:40 PM, Jon Evans wrote:
> > > > > FWIW, I don't find the existing performance to be
> unusable, it's just
> > > > > not up to the standards of PcbNew/GAL. I don't
> think it's worth any
> > > > > effort beyond easy fixes, we should put that
> energy into the GAL
> > > > port.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Jon
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Mar 4, 2018, 14:34 Bernhard Stegmaier
> > > > <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:
> stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>
> > > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:
> stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>
> > > > > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:
> stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>
> > > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:
> stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I would judge it wrt eeschema GAL conversion.
> > > > > If that starts with v6, I don’t know if it is
> worth the effort.
> > > > > If it is unsure when this will happen, it
> might be worth it.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> On 4. Mar 2018, at 20:30, Wayne Stambaugh
> > > > <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> > > > >> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:
> stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Ughh! I don't have a good answer for this
> > one. My
> > > best guess is
> > > > >> to fix
> > > > >> the wx macos code first and see what
> > performance issues are
> > > > left. The
> > > > >> problem with messing with any of this is that
> > if you break
> > > > >> something it
> > > > >> will break all of the legacy canvas rendering
> > not just the
> > > > schematic
> > > > >> editor. I would move extremely carefully
> > here. I
> > > would prefer
> > > > >> that we
> > > > >> don't go too crazy this late in the v5
> > release cycle.
> > > If the
> > > > >> performance is truly not usable on macos,
> > then we may
> > > have no
> > > > choice.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On 03/04/2018 02:07 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
> > > > >>> It turns out the fonts aren’t really the
> > problem.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> It starts with this gem in wxWidgets:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > >
> > >
> > voidwxWidgetCocoaImpl::ScrollRect(constwxRect*rect,
> intdx,intdy)
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> {
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> #if1
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> SetNeedsDisplay();
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> #else
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > //Weshoulddosomethinglikethis,butitwasn'tworkingin10.4.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> if(GetNeedsDisplay())
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> {
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> SetNeedsDisplay() ;
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> }
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > NSRectr=wxToNSRect([m_osxViewsuperview],*rect);
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> NSSizeoffset=NSMakeSize((
> float)dx,(float)dy);
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> [m_osxViewscrollRect:rby:offset];
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> #endif
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> }
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> SetNeedsDisplay() with no rectangle argument
> > > invalidates the
> > > > >>> entire window.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Even if you fix that (to scroll most of the
> > window and
> > > only
> > > > >>> invalidate
> > > > >>> the newly-exposed parts), you run into this:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > >
> > >
> > voidwxWidgetCocoaImpl::drawRect(void*rect,
> WXWidgetslf,void*WXUNUSED(_cmd))
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> {
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> //preparingtheupdateregion
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> wxRegionupdateRgn;
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > >
> > >
> > //sinceaddingmanyrectstoaregionisacostlyprocess,
> bydefaultusetheboundingrect
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> #if0
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> constNSRect*rects;
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> NSIntegercount;
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> [slfgetRectsBeingDrawn:&
> rectscount:&count];
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> for(inti=0;i<count;++i)
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> {
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> updateRgn.Union(
> wxFromNSRect(slf,rects[i]));
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> }
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> #else
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > updateRgn.Union(wxFromNSRect(slf,*(NSRect*)rect));
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> #endif
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> …which will /also/ cause the whole window to
> be
> > > repainted if
> > > > there’s
> > > > >>> both an invalidated horizontal strip and a
> > vertical one.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> And the latter turns out to be pretty much
> > guaranteed
> > > by this
> > > > >>> one, which
> > > > >>> batches repaints:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> voidwxNonOwnedWindow::Update()
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> {
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> if(clock()-s_lastFlush>CLOCKS_PER_SEC/30)
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> {
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> s_lastFlush=clock();
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> m_nowpeer->Update();
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> }
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> }
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> But even Kicad isn’t blameless. Once you
> > fix all
> > > those there’s
> > > > >>> still no
> > > > >>> checking in SCH_SCREEN::Draw() to see if the
> > > individual draw
> > > > items
> > > > >>> intersect the update region. (Sure, the
> > actually
> > > drawing is
> > > > >>> clipped in
> > > > >>> the end, but you still go through a /lot/ of
> > code to
> > > get there.)
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> All of these are fixable, and we’ve already
> > crossed the
> > > > Rubicon of
> > > > >>> having our own OSX wxWidgets branch.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> But it’s still a reasonable amount of work,
> > with a
> > > > non-trivial risk
> > > > >>> profile. Should I continue?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Cheers,
> > > > >>> Jeff.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> On 4 Mar 2018, at 01:30, Bernhard Stegmaier
> > > > >>>> <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
> > > > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:
> stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:
> stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
> > > > >>>> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:
> stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>
> > > > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:
> stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> No.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>> On 4. Mar 2018, at 01:51, Andrey Kuznetsov
> > > > <kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> > > > >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:
> kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> >
> > > > >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:
> kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Would it be an easy fix to change the
> text/font such that it
> > > > >>>>> does not
> > > > >>>>> affect performance so significantly on
> MacOS?
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 5:20 AM, Wayne
> Stambaugh
> > > > >>>>> <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:
> stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> > > > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:
> stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>>
> > > > >>>>> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:
> stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
> >>
> > > > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> On 03/03/2018 07:33 AM, Jeff Young
> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Hi Andrey,
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> I did some profiling and I’d guess
> > that the
> > > > difference in
> > > > >>>>> eeschema and pcbnew-legacy
> > performance is
> > > down to there
> > > > >>>>> being
> > > > >>>>> more text in the schema. Since we
> > use a
> > > stroke font,
> > > > >>>>> there’s
> > > > >>>>> a lot of stroke segments in each
> > letter.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> @Devs,
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> I understand why we use a stroke
> > font on the
> > > PCB, but
> > > > >>>>> there’s
> > > > >>>>> not much reason in eeschema, is
> there?
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> This is possibly one of the things that
> > I plan on
> > > > changing after
> > > > >>>>> the new schematic file format is
> > written. The
> > > new file
> > > > format
> > > > >>>>> will support font definitions so
> > replacing the stroke
> > > > font in
> > > > >>>>> Eeschema should be doable. Whether or
> > not I have time
> > > > to make
> > > > >>>>> this change remains to be seen.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Wayne
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Cheers,
> > > > >>>>> Jeff.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> On 3 Mar 2018, at 08:18, Andrey
> > Kuznetsov
> > > > >>>>> <kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> > > > >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > > > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:
> kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > > > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>>
> > > > >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > > > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> > > > >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > > > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> The motherboard project is not
> very
> > > complex, I
> > > > would say
> > > > >>>>> that performance should be
> > tolerable UP
> > > to that
> > > > size
> > > > >>>>> complexity, if we set the bar
> > any lower,
> > > > usability will
> > > > >>>>> suffer and people won't like
> KiCad
> > > because it's
> > > > sluggish
> > > > >>>>> and interface lag is the worst
> > kind of lag.
> > > > >>>>> My project isn't finished and
> > Chris'
> > > project is
> > > > >>>>> available
> > > > >>>>> now, is just the right
> > complexity and has
> > > layout
> > > > >>>>> that can
> > > > >>>>> be used for testing as well as
> > a schematic.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> *LG 5K 27" display running
> > 3200x1800 (the
> > > highest
> > > > >>>>> resolution without making text
> > blurry, using
> > > > this for
> > > > >>>>> work every day, so it's
> > extravagant, it's
> > > > practical)*
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> *Actions:* pan with middle
> > mouse, zoom
> > > back and
> > > > forth.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> *eeschema:*
> > > > >>>>> Low Res - at least 2 times
> > slower than
> > > would be
> > > > >>>>> considered normal, I would have
> > to guess
> > > ~400ms lag
> > > > >>>>> Normal - 4-5x slower compared
> > to low res mode
> > > > >>>>> ~1700ms lag
> > > > >>>>> Even in low res mode, and
> > removing 75% of the
> > > > items from
> > > > >>>>> Chris' schematic, the lag is
> still
> > > ~200-300ms,
> > > > that's
> > > > >>>>> just not right. Additionally, I
> > filed
> > > > >>>>>
> > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054
> > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054>
> > > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054
> > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054
> > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054>
> > > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054
> > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054>>>
> > > > because
> > > > >>>>> the mouse zoom is screwed up in
> > eeschema,
> > > > coupled with
> > > > >>>>> the lag, it's unusable. Maybe
> > the pan lag is
> > > > related to
> > > > >>>>> the zoom, maybe there are
> > multiple steps
> > > being
> > > > rendered
> > > > >>>>> when it should just jump to
> > where the mouse
> > > > ended up at,
> > > > >>>>> I don't know.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> *pcbnew - **Normal Resolution:*
> > > > >>>>> Accelerated: No-AA, <50ms
> > > > >>>>> Fallback: 500-1000ms for
> panning,
> > > 300-600ms for
> > > > zoom
> > > > >>>>> Legacy: 1300-1700ms for
> > panning, 600ms
> > > for zoom
> > > > >>>>> Low Res mode: did not notice
> speed
> > > increase, except
> > > > >>>>> maybe
> > > > >>>>> Fallback was ~400ms faster.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> I'm not saying halt the horses,
> > certain
> > > modes are
> > > > >>>>> obviously limited, ie Legacy
> > and Fallback by
> > > > the nature
> > > > >>>>> of the task presented, but
> > eeschema is barely
> > > > displaying
> > > > >>>>> 10% of the content pcbnew is
> > but lagging so
> > > > much worse!
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Just thought I'd include
> > rendering of the
> > > > Accelerated
> > > > >>>>> Graphics (top to bottom:
> > Supersampling 4x,
> > > > Subpixel AA
> > > > >>>>> (Ultra Quality), No AA)
> > > > >>>>> All 3 modes are responsive,
> > probably
> > > <50-100ms
> > > > lag, I'd
> > > > >>>>> consider this performance
> > great, considering
> > > > the amount
> > > > >>>>> of elements on screen.
> > > > >>>>> <image.png>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> How long should it take to
> > delete this many
> > > > selected
> > > > >>>>> elements in pcbnew?
> > > > >>>>> Answer: about 50x too long! I
> > think it
> > > was like
> > > > 3mins,
> > > > >>>>> perhaps ESC key should be
> > available to press
> > > > anytime to
> > > > >>>>> undo the delete action and
> > restore to
> > > > pre-delete screen
> > > > >>>>> when accidental actions are
> > triggered
> > > that take
> > > > forever
> > > > >>>>> to complete?
> > > > >>>>> <image.png>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 9:53 AM,
> > Bernhard
> > > Stegmaier
> > > > >>>>> <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> > > > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
> > > > >>>>> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
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> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>> <mailto:stegmaier@sw-
> systems.de
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
> > > > >>>>> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> > > > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
> > > > >>>>> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> > > > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Hi,
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> to be honest, I don’t
> > really know
> > > what this is
> > > > >>>>> about.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> @Andrey:
> > > > >>>>> You looked for a very
> complex
> > > (foreign) project
> > > > >>>>> (Chris mainboard?)
> > > > >>>>> to prove that eeschema is
> > slow on Mac?
> > > > >>>>> Well, we know that and we
> > told you
> > > already some
> > > > >>>>> weeks/months ago
> > > > >>>>> why it is like it is (if
> > memory serves me
> > > > right).
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Or, do you have an own
> > project that is so
> > > > >>>>> ridiculously slow, that
> > > > >>>>> you can’t work with it?
> > > > >>>>> If so, please provide it so
> > that we can
> > > > analyse why
> > > > >>>>> this specific
> > > > >>>>> project behaves like that.
> > > > >>>>> If you can’t or don’t want
> > to provide
> > > it we
> > > > could
> > > > >>>>> tell you how to
> > > > >>>>> do some performance
> > measurements so
> > > that we
> > > > >>>>> might see
> > > > >>>>> something.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Obviously, there are a
> > number of Mac
> > > users
> > > > here and
> > > > >>>>> also over at
> > > > >>>>> the KiCad forum who might
> > also be
> > > happy to get
> > > > >>>>> some more
> > > > >>>>> performance here and there,
> > but who
> > > are in
> > > > general
> > > > >>>>> reasonably able
> > > > >>>>> to work on their projects
> > (including
> > > > myself, on a
> > > > >>>>> 2012 Retina
> > > > >>>>> MacBook with only an i5).
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Regards,
> > > > >>>>> Bernhard
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> > On 2. Mar 2018, at 17:59,
> > Andy Peters
> > > > >>>>> <devel@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> > > > >>>>> <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > > > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>>>> <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > > > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
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> > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > > > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>>> <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx
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> > > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > > > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>> >
> > > > >>>>> >
> > > > >>>>> >
> > > > >>>>> >> On Mar 1, 2018, at 8:53
> > PM, Seth
> > > Hillbrand
> > > > >>>>> <seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>>
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> > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
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> > > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
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> > > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
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> > > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
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> > > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
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> > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>>
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> > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>> >>
> > > > >>>>> >> Andrey-
> > > > >>>>> >>
> > > > >>>>> >> I'm moving this to a new
> > thread so
> > > that
> > > > we don't
> > > > >>>>> conflate the
> > > > >>>>> OpenMP discussion with this.
> > > > >>>>> >>
> > > > >>>>> >> Can you test running
> > Kicad with the
> > > > "Open in Low
> > > > >>>>> Resolution"
> > > > >>>>> mode enabled? You can
> > activate this by
> > > > choosing
> > > > >>>>> "Get
> > > > >>>>> Info" on the
> > > > >>>>> main KiCad application and
> > checking the
> > > > option that
> > > > >>>>> says "Open in
> > > > >>>>> Low Resolution". You may
> > need to do
> > > the same
> > > > >>>>> for the
> > > > >>>>> other
> > > > >>>>> applications (Eeschema,
> > pcbnew, etc)
> > > as well.
> > > > >>>>> >
> > > > >>>>> > testing on my 2017”
> > touch-bar MBP …
> > > > >>>>> >
> > > > >>>>> > Good g-d, low-res mode
> > looks fuzzy
> > > and weird!
> > > > >>>>> >
> > > > >>>>> > I don’t notice any
> specific
> > > differences in
> > > > >>>>> EESchema
> > > > >>>>> performance.
> > > > >>>>> Maybe my schematic isn’t
> > busy enough?
> > > I’m a
> > > > fan of
> > > > >>>>> using more
> > > > >>>>> smaller sheets with less
> > info on each
> > > than
> > > > one big
> > > > >>>>> sheet with
> > > > >>>>> everything.
> > > > >>>>> >
> > > > >>>>> > I know, anecdote is not
> > evidence.
> > > > >>>>> >
> > > > >>>>> > -a
> > > > >>>>> >
> > > > >>>>> >
> > > > >>>>> >>
> > > > >>>>> >> -Seth
> > > > >>>>> >>
> > > > >>>>> >> 2018-03-01 18:09
> > GMT-08:00 Andrey
> > > > Kuznetsov
> > > > >>>>> <kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
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> > > > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>>:
> > > > >>>>> >> Hi,
> > > > >>>>> >>
> > > > >>>>> >> So for now I've had a
> > chance to
> > > test the
> > > > >>>>> motherboard project on
> > > > >>>>> my Retina macbook display.
> > > > >>>>> >> eeschema: horrible zoom,
> > feels like
> > > > elastic band
> > > > >>>>> zoom and I
> > > > >>>>> have all scroll wheel
> > accelerations
> > > and similar
> > > > >>>>> disabled, zoom
> > > > >>>>> response is super laggy,
> > cannot work like
> > > > this, will
> > > > >>>>> need to make
> > > > >>>>> schematics on windows.
> > > > >>>>> >> pcbnew by order of
> slowness:
> > > > >>>>> >> legacy - pretty slow,
> > zoom lag is
> > > major,
> > > > boo boo
> > > > >>>>> >> modern (fallback) -
> > decent, but
> > > the lag
> > > > can be
> > > > >>>>> felt, zoom lag
> > > > >>>>> is minor
> > > > >>>>> >> modern (accelerated) -
> > almost cannot
> > > > feel the
> > > > >>>>> lag,
> > > > >>>>> very nice,
> > > > >>>>> nice zoom responsiveness
> > > > >>>>> >>
> > > > >>>>> >> I'll report tomorrow on
> > 5K LG display.
> > > > >>>>> >>
> > > > >>>>> >
> > > > >>>>> >
> > > > >>>>> >
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Follow ups
References
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Re: Mac HighDPI performance
From: Seth Hillbrand, 2018-03-02
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Re: Mac HighDPI performance
From: Jeff Young, 2018-03-03
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Re: Mac HighDPI performance
From: Wayne Stambaugh, 2018-03-03
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Re: Mac HighDPI performance
From: Andrey Kuznetsov, 2018-03-04
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Re: Mac HighDPI performance
From: Bernhard Stegmaier, 2018-03-04
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Re: Mac HighDPI performance
From: Jeff Young, 2018-03-04
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Re: Mac HighDPI performance
From: Wayne Stambaugh, 2018-03-04
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Re: Mac HighDPI performance
From: Bernhard Stegmaier, 2018-03-04
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Re: Mac HighDPI performance
From: Jon Evans, 2018-03-04
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Re: Mac HighDPI performance
From: Wayne Stambaugh, 2018-03-04
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Re: Mac HighDPI performance
From: Jon Evans, 2018-03-04
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Re: Mac HighDPI performance
From: Wayne Stambaugh, 2018-03-05
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Re: Mac HighDPI performance
From: Jon Evans, 2018-03-05
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Re: Mac HighDPI performance
From: Wayne Stambaugh, 2018-03-05
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Re: Mac HighDPI performance
From: José Ignacio, 2018-03-05
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Re: Mac HighDPI performance
From: Jon Evans, 2018-03-05
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Re: Mac HighDPI performance
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