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Re: Mac HighDPI performance
In my humble opinion the development process does not have to change (it works fine after all), it could just be a simple matter of just branching stable releases more frequently (as José and others argue below).
Maybe have a time based branch model where you branch a new RC let's say six months after the previous stable release. We then spend some time squashing bugs and release stable whenever it is ready. Since there will be less changes made in a 6 month period, bug squashing would probably also be faster. Depending on the severity of the impact of the changes included in the RC vs the previous stable, the version number is increased. Big or breaking changes (e.g. EEschema new file format or GAL transition) mean the major version is increased, smaller changes mean an increase in the minor. With a possible exception for major data corruption like issues, only the latest stable release is maintained for further bugfixes.
I'm likely glossing over some further complexities here, but I think decreasing the time between stable releases would make kicad feel more "fresh" and could really help grow kicad's reach and user base even further.
Just my €0.02
Robbert
Op 5-3-2018 om 16:23 schreef Jon Evans:
I think you're describing something similar to this: http://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/
which I think can work pretty well. It does require more work/dedication than the model KiCad uses today.
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 10:19 AM, José Ignacio <jose.cyborg@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:jose.cyborg@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Once the point release is done, no more bugfix releases are necessary on the previous one, that should reduce the effort of backporting fixes to a codebase that was branched way back. As it is right now, fixing a bug that affects both stable and dev 1 year in the future would mean writing a patch for 2 pretty different looking codebases (and the bug might not even exist in dev because the code was rewritten), so either the effort is (almost) duplicated or the bug goes unfixed.
One way this could work is to, instead of keeping a stale branch with the stable release where fixes need to be backported/cherry-picked to, just keep big destabilizing changes away from Master. And make all stable releases be just a tag in Master, with a x.x-bugfix branch existing only if a bug fix had to be backported before the next point release was ready, big features that can leave kicad unstable or incompatible can go into a staging branch that gets pulled into master when the next point release merge window opens. Those disruptions almost never happened during 5.0 development, most of the time devs have been exceptionally good at keeping kicad stable and compatible throughout the dev process, except where it couldn't be avoided (like the big sym-lib-table change).
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 8:52 AM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
There is no formal process. It's primarily based on discussion on the
mailing list and me making the final decisions. The road maps live in
the kicad source repo in the /Documentation/development/ folder. They
definitely need updated. I just haven't gotten around to updating them.
I was going to do that sometime after the v5 release.
As for a v5.1, we have not done point releases in the past due to lack
of manpower. I have done most of the stable branch maintenance and it's
more work than you would think and I just don't have the time to add
point releases to my list of responsibilities. If someone proposes a
reasonable way to do this without tying up a lot of developer time then
I'm not opposed to it. Please keep in mind the long term ramifications
of potentially maintaining multiple stable branches when developers
leave the project. If we could always depend on a given level of
developer time, this probably wouldn't be that big of an issue but we
cannot depend on any guaranteed level of manpower. Maybe in the future
that is a luxury we will have.
Wayne
On 3/5/2018 9:36 AM, Jon Evans wrote:
> Do we have a process or workflow for proposing changes to the roadmap?
> A number of the things from the V5 roadmap didn't happen, so it might
> make sense to move some things around to V6 (and possibly a V5.1) roadmaps
>
> -Jon
>
> On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 9:12 AM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
>
> Jon,
>
> The v6 road map is here:
>
> http://docs.kicad-pcb.org/doxygen/v6_road_map.html
> <http://docs.kicad-pcb.org/doxygen/v6_road_map.html>
>
> I was planning on working on the schematic object but I wouldn't be
> offended if you want to implement it. If you do decide to work on this,
> please keep me in the loop. I have some things that I definitely want
> implemented as part of this object most of which you have probably
> already run into with your connectivity work.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Wayne
>
>
> On 3/4/2018 3:07 PM, Jon Evans wrote:
> > We should probably make some kind of road map if it doesn't exist
> > already, concerning the path to GAL for eeschema and who will be doing
> > what. For example, it might make sense to do the SCHEMATIC class
> > refactoring you were talking about before or in parallel with parts of
> > the porting effort.
> >
> > I'm up for working on this too, as soon as my connectivity / bus stuff
> > has landed.
> >
> > -Jon
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 4, 2018, 14:46 Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
> >
> > I agree. If it's not an easy straight forward fix, I would prefer to
> > spend our precious manpower resources on the GAL port as well. I don't
> > know when in the v6 cycle any of this will happen but I'm guessing it
> > will happen fairly early. Tom or Orson, do either of you have any idea
> > when this will happen?
> >
> > Wayne
> >
> > On 03/04/2018 02:40 PM, Jon Evans wrote:
> > > FWIW, I don't find the existing performance to be unusable, it's just
> > > not up to the standards of PcbNew/GAL. I don't think it's worth any
> > > effort beyond easy fixes, we should put that energy into the GAL
> > port.
> > >
> > > -Jon
> > >
> > > On Sun, Mar 4, 2018, 14:34 Bernhard Stegmaier
> > <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
> > > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I would judge it wrt eeschema GAL conversion.
> > > If that starts with v6, I don’t know if it is worth the effort.
> > > If it is unsure when this will happen, it might be worth it.
> > >
> > >
> > >> On 4. Mar 2018, at 20:30, Wayne Stambaugh
> > <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>
> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> > >> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>
> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Ughh! I don't have a good answer for this one. My
> best guess is
> > >> to fix
> > >> the wx macos code first and see what performance issues are
> > left. The
> > >> problem with messing with any of this is that if you break
> > >> something it
> > >> will break all of the legacy canvas rendering not just the
> > schematic
> > >> editor. I would move extremely carefully here. I
> would prefer
> > >> that we
> > >> don't go too crazy this late in the v5 release cycle.
> If the
> > >> performance is truly not usable on macos, then we may
> have no
> > choice.
> > >>
> > >> On 03/04/2018 02:07 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
> > >>> It turns out the fonts aren’t really the problem.
> > >>>
> > >>> It starts with this gem in wxWidgets:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >
> voidwxWidgetCocoaImpl::ScrollRect(constwxRect*rect,intdx,intdy)
> > >>>
> > >>> {
> > >>>
> > >>> #if1
> > >>>
> > >>> SetNeedsDisplay();
> > >>>
> > >>> #else
> > >>>
> > >>> //Weshoulddosomethinglikethis,butitwasn'tworkingin10.4.
> > >>>
> > >>> if(GetNeedsDisplay())
> > >>>
> > >>> {
> > >>>
> > >>> SetNeedsDisplay() ;
> > >>>
> > >>> }
> > >>>
> > >>> NSRectr=wxToNSRect([m_osxViewsuperview],*rect);
> > >>>
> > >>> NSSizeoffset=NSMakeSize((float)dx,(float)dy);
> > >>>
> > >>> [m_osxViewscrollRect:rby:offset];
> > >>>
> > >>> #endif
> > >>>
> > >>> }
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> SetNeedsDisplay() with no rectangle argument
> invalidates the
> > >>> entire window.
> > >>>
> > >>> Even if you fix that (to scroll most of the window and
> only
> > >>> invalidate
> > >>> the newly-exposed parts), you run into this:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >
> voidwxWidgetCocoaImpl::drawRect(void*rect,WXWidgetslf,void*WXUNUSED(_cmd))
> > >>>
> > >>> {
> > >>>
> > >>> //preparingtheupdateregion
> > >>>
> > >>> wxRegionupdateRgn;
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >
> //sinceaddingmanyrectstoaregionisacostlyprocess,bydefaultusetheboundingrect
> > >>>
> > >>> #if0
> > >>>
> > >>> constNSRect*rects;
> > >>>
> > >>> NSIntegercount;
> > >>>
> > >>> [slfgetRectsBeingDrawn:&rectscount:&count];
> > >>>
> > >>> for(inti=0;i<count;++i)
> > >>>
> > >>> {
> > >>>
> > >>> updateRgn.Union(wxFromNSRect(slf,rects[i]));
> > >>>
> > >>> }
> > >>>
> > >>> #else
> > >>>
> > >>> updateRgn.Union(wxFromNSRect(slf,*(NSRect*)rect));
> > >>>
> > >>> #endif
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> …which will /also/ cause the whole window to be
> repainted if
> > there’s
> > >>> both an invalidated horizontal strip and a vertical one.
> > >>>
> > >>> And the latter turns out to be pretty much guaranteed
> by this
> > >>> one, which
> > >>> batches repaints:
> > >>>
> > >>> voidwxNonOwnedWindow::Update()
> > >>>
> > >>> {
> > >>>
> > >>> if(clock()-s_lastFlush>CLOCKS_PER_SEC/30)
> > >>>
> > >>> {
> > >>>
> > >>> s_lastFlush=clock();
> > >>>
> > >>> m_nowpeer->Update();
> > >>>
> > >>> }
> > >>>
> > >>> }
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> But even Kicad isn’t blameless. Once you fix all
> those there’s
> > >>> still no
> > >>> checking in SCH_SCREEN::Draw() to see if the
> individual draw
> > items
> > >>> intersect the update region. (Sure, the actually
> drawing is
> > >>> clipped in
> > >>> the end, but you still go through a /lot/ of code to
> get there.)
> > >>>
> > >>> All of these are fixable, and we’ve already crossed the
> > Rubicon of
> > >>> having our own OSX wxWidgets branch.
> > >>>
> > >>> But it’s still a reasonable amount of work, with a
> > non-trivial risk
> > >>> profile. Should I continue?
> > >>>
> > >>> Cheers,
> > >>> Jeff.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> On 4 Mar 2018, at 01:30, Bernhard Stegmaier
> > >>>> <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
> > >>>> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> No.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On 4. Mar 2018, at 01:51, Andrey Kuznetsov
> > <kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> > >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>>
> > >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Would it be an easy fix to change the text/font such that it
> > >>>>> does not
> > >>>>> affect performance so significantly on MacOS?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 5:20 AM, Wayne Stambaugh
> > >>>>> <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>
> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>
> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>>
> > >>>>> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>
> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On 03/03/2018 07:33 AM, Jeff Young wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Hi Andrey,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I did some profiling and I’d guess that the
> > difference in
> > >>>>> eeschema and pcbnew-legacy performance is
> down to there
> > >>>>> being
> > >>>>> more text in the schema. Since we use a
> stroke font,
> > >>>>> there’s
> > >>>>> a lot of stroke segments in each letter.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> @Devs,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I understand why we use a stroke font on the
> PCB, but
> > >>>>> there’s
> > >>>>> not much reason in eeschema, is there?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> This is possibly one of the things that I plan on
> > changing after
> > >>>>> the new schematic file format is written. The
> new file
> > format
> > >>>>> will support font definitions so replacing the stroke
> > font in
> > >>>>> Eeschema should be doable. Whether or not I have time
> > to make
> > >>>>> this change remains to be seen.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Wayne
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Cheers,
> > >>>>> Jeff.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On 3 Mar 2018, at 08:18, Andrey Kuznetsov
> > >>>>> <kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> > >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>>
> > >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> > >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>>
> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> The motherboard project is not very
> complex, I
> > would say
> > >>>>> that performance should be tolerable UP
> to that
> > size
> > >>>>> complexity, if we set the bar any lower,
> > usability will
> > >>>>> suffer and people won't like KiCad
> because it's
> > sluggish
> > >>>>> and interface lag is the worst kind of lag.
> > >>>>> My project isn't finished and Chris'
> project is
> > >>>>> available
> > >>>>> now, is just the right complexity and has
> layout
> > >>>>> that can
> > >>>>> be used for testing as well as a schematic.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> *LG 5K 27" display running 3200x1800 (the
> highest
> > >>>>> resolution without making text blurry, using
> > this for
> > >>>>> work every day, so it's extravagant, it's
> > practical)*
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> *Actions:* pan with middle mouse, zoom
> back and
> > forth.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> *eeschema:*
> > >>>>> Low Res - at least 2 times slower than
> would be
> > >>>>> considered normal, I would have to guess
> ~400ms lag
> > >>>>> Normal - 4-5x slower compared to low res mode
> > >>>>> ~1700ms lag
> > >>>>> Even in low res mode, and removing 75% of the
> > items from
> > >>>>> Chris' schematic, the lag is still
> ~200-300ms,
> > that's
> > >>>>> just not right. Additionally, I filed
> > >>>>>
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054
> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054>
> > >>>>>
> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054
> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054>>
> > because
> > >>>>> the mouse zoom is screwed up in eeschema,
> > coupled with
> > >>>>> the lag, it's unusable. Maybe the pan lag is
> > related to
> > >>>>> the zoom, maybe there are multiple steps
> being
> > rendered
> > >>>>> when it should just jump to where the mouse
> > ended up at,
> > >>>>> I don't know.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> *pcbnew - **Normal Resolution:*
> > >>>>> Accelerated: No-AA, <50ms
> > >>>>> Fallback: 500-1000ms for panning,
> 300-600ms for
> > zoom
> > >>>>> Legacy: 1300-1700ms for panning, 600ms
> for zoom
> > >>>>> Low Res mode: did not notice speed
> increase, except
> > >>>>> maybe
> > >>>>> Fallback was ~400ms faster.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I'm not saying halt the horses, certain
> modes are
> > >>>>> obviously limited, ie Legacy and Fallback by
> > the nature
> > >>>>> of the task presented, but eeschema is barely
> > displaying
> > >>>>> 10% of the content pcbnew is but lagging so
> > much worse!
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Just thought I'd include rendering of the
> > Accelerated
> > >>>>> Graphics (top to bottom: Supersampling 4x,
> > Subpixel AA
> > >>>>> (Ultra Quality), No AA)
> > >>>>> All 3 modes are responsive, probably
> <50-100ms
> > lag, I'd
> > >>>>> consider this performance great, considering
> > the amount
> > >>>>> of elements on screen.
> > >>>>> <image.png>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> How long should it take to delete this many
> > selected
> > >>>>> elements in pcbnew?
> > >>>>> Answer: about 50x too long! I think it
> was like
> > 3mins,
> > >>>>> perhaps ESC key should be available to press
> > anytime to
> > >>>>> undo the delete action and restore to
> > pre-delete screen
> > >>>>> when accidental actions are triggered
> that take
> > forever
> > >>>>> to complete?
> > >>>>> <image.png>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Bernhard
> Stegmaier
> > >>>>> <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
> > >>>>> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
> > >>>>> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
> > >>>>> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Hi,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> to be honest, I don’t really know
> what this is
> > >>>>> about.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> @Andrey:
> > >>>>> You looked for a very complex
> (foreign) project
> > >>>>> (Chris mainboard?)
> > >>>>> to prove that eeschema is slow on Mac?
> > >>>>> Well, we know that and we told you
> already some
> > >>>>> weeks/months ago
> > >>>>> why it is like it is (if memory serves me
> > right).
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Or, do you have an own project that is so
> > >>>>> ridiculously slow, that
> > >>>>> you can’t work with it?
> > >>>>> If so, please provide it so that we can
> > analyse why
> > >>>>> this specific
> > >>>>> project behaves like that.
> > >>>>> If you can’t or don’t want to provide
> it we
> > could
> > >>>>> tell you how to
> > >>>>> do some performance measurements so
> that we
> > >>>>> might see
> > >>>>> something.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Obviously, there are a number of Mac
> users
> > here and
> > >>>>> also over at
> > >>>>> the KiCad forum who might also be
> happy to get
> > >>>>> some more
> > >>>>> performance here and there, but who
> are in
> > general
> > >>>>> reasonably able
> > >>>>> to work on their projects (including
> > myself, on a
> > >>>>> 2012 Retina
> > >>>>> MacBook with only an i5).
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Regards,
> > >>>>> Bernhard
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> > On 2. Mar 2018, at 17:59, Andy Peters
> > >>>>> <devel@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>>
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> > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> >> On Mar 1, 2018, at 8:53 PM, Seth
> Hillbrand
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> <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> Andrey-
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> I'm moving this to a new thread so
> that
> > we don't
> > >>>>> conflate the
> > >>>>> OpenMP discussion with this.
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> Can you test running Kicad with the
> > "Open in Low
> > >>>>> Resolution"
> > >>>>> mode enabled? You can activate this by
> > choosing
> > >>>>> "Get
> > >>>>> Info" on the
> > >>>>> main KiCad application and checking the
> > option that
> > >>>>> says "Open in
> > >>>>> Low Resolution". You may need to do
> the same
> > >>>>> for the
> > >>>>> other
> > >>>>> applications (Eeschema, pcbnew, etc)
> as well.
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> > testing on my 2017” touch-bar MBP …
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> > Good g-d, low-res mode looks fuzzy
> and weird!
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> > I don’t notice any specific
> differences in
> > >>>>> EESchema
> > >>>>> performance.
> > >>>>> Maybe my schematic isn’t busy enough?
> I’m a
> > fan of
> > >>>>> using more
> > >>>>> smaller sheets with less info on each
> than
> > one big
> > >>>>> sheet with
> > >>>>> everything.
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> > I know, anecdote is not evidence.
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> > -a
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> -Seth
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> 2018-03-01 18:09 GMT-08:00 Andrey
> > Kuznetsov
> > >>>>> <kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
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> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
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> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>>:
> > >>>>> >> Hi,
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> So for now I've had a chance to
> test the
> > >>>>> motherboard project on
> > >>>>> my Retina macbook display.
> > >>>>> >> eeschema: horrible zoom, feels like
> > elastic band
> > >>>>> zoom and I
> > >>>>> have all scroll wheel accelerations
> and similar
> > >>>>> disabled, zoom
> > >>>>> response is super laggy, cannot work like
> > this, will
> > >>>>> need to make
> > >>>>> schematics on windows.
> > >>>>> >> pcbnew by order of slowness:
> > >>>>> >> legacy - pretty slow, zoom lag is
> major,
> > boo boo
> > >>>>> >> modern (fallback) - decent, but
> the lag
> > can be
> > >>>>> felt, zoom lag
> > >>>>> is minor
> > >>>>> >> modern (accelerated) - almost cannot
> > feel the
> > >>>>> lag,
> > >>>>> very nice,
> > >>>>> nice zoom responsiveness
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> I'll report tomorrow on 5K LG display.
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> >
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