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Re: Mac HighDPI performance
Wayne already covered this, not enough man power to manage the branches and
pop off new releases so often.
On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 1:44 PM, Robbert Lagerweij <rlagerweij@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> In my humble opinion the development process does not have to change (it
> works fine after all), it could just be a simple matter of just branching
> stable releases more frequently (as José and others argue below).
>
> Maybe have a time based branch model where you branch a new RC let's say
> six months after the previous stable release. We then spend some time
> squashing bugs and release stable whenever it is ready. Since there will be
> less changes made in a 6 month period, bug squashing would probably also be
> faster. Depending on the severity of the impact of the changes included in
> the RC vs the previous stable, the version number is increased. Big or
> breaking changes (e.g. EEschema new file format or GAL transition) mean the
> major version is increased, smaller changes mean an increase in the minor.
> With a possible exception for major data corruption like issues, only the
> latest stable release is maintained for further bugfixes.
>
> I'm likely glossing over some further complexities here, but I think
> decreasing the time between stable releases would make kicad feel more
> "fresh" and could really help grow kicad's reach and user base even
> further.
>
> Just my €0.02
>
> Robbert
>
> Op 5-3-2018 om 16:23 schreef Jon Evans:
>
> I think you're describing something similar to this:
> http://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/
> which I think can work pretty well. It does require more work/dedication
> than the model KiCad uses today.
>
> On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 10:19 AM, José Ignacio <jose.cyborg@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>> Once the point release is done, no more bugfix releases are necessary on
>> the previous one, that should reduce the effort of backporting fixes to a
>> codebase that was branched way back. As it is right now, fixing a bug that
>> affects both stable and dev 1 year in the future would mean writing a patch
>> for 2 pretty different looking codebases (and the bug might not even exist
>> in dev because the code was rewritten), so either the effort is (almost)
>> duplicated or the bug goes unfixed.
>>
>> One way this could work is to, instead of keeping a stale branch with the
>> stable release where fixes need to be backported/cherry-picked to, just
>> keep big destabilizing changes away from Master. And make all stable
>> releases be just a tag in Master, with a x.x-bugfix branch existing only if
>> a bug fix had to be backported before the next point release was ready, big
>> features that can leave kicad unstable or incompatible can go into a
>> staging branch that gets pulled into master when the next point release
>> merge window opens. Those disruptions almost never happened during 5.0
>> development, most of the time devs have been exceptionally good at keeping
>> kicad stable and compatible throughout the dev process, except where it
>> couldn't be avoided (like the big sym-lib-table change).
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 8:52 AM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There is no formal process. It's primarily based on discussion on the
>>> mailing list and me making the final decisions. The road maps live in
>>> the kicad source repo in the /Documentation/development/ folder. They
>>> definitely need updated. I just haven't gotten around to updating them.
>>> I was going to do that sometime after the v5 release.
>>>
>>> As for a v5.1, we have not done point releases in the past due to lack
>>> of manpower. I have done most of the stable branch maintenance and it's
>>> more work than you would think and I just don't have the time to add
>>> point releases to my list of responsibilities. If someone proposes a
>>> reasonable way to do this without tying up a lot of developer time then
>>> I'm not opposed to it. Please keep in mind the long term ramifications
>>> of potentially maintaining multiple stable branches when developers
>>> leave the project. If we could always depend on a given level of
>>> developer time, this probably wouldn't be that big of an issue but we
>>> cannot depend on any guaranteed level of manpower. Maybe in the future
>>> that is a luxury we will have.
>>>
>>> Wayne
>>>
>>> On 3/5/2018 9:36 AM, Jon Evans wrote:
>>> > Do we have a process or workflow for proposing changes to the roadmap?
>>> > A number of the things from the V5 roadmap didn't happen, so it might
>>> > make sense to move some things around to V6 (and possibly a V5.1)
>>> roadmaps
>>> >
>>> > -Jon
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 9:12 AM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Jon,
>>> >
>>> > The v6 road map is here:
>>> >
>>> > http://docs.kicad-pcb.org/doxygen/v6_road_map.html
>>> > <http://docs.kicad-pcb.org/doxygen/v6_road_map.html>
>>> >
>>> > I was planning on working on the schematic object but I wouldn't be
>>> > offended if you want to implement it. If you do decide to work on
>>> this,
>>> > please keep me in the loop. I have some things that I definitely
>>> want
>>> > implemented as part of this object most of which you have probably
>>> > already run into with your connectivity work.
>>> >
>>> > Cheers,
>>> >
>>> > Wayne
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 3/4/2018 3:07 PM, Jon Evans wrote:
>>> > > We should probably make some kind of road map if it doesn't exist
>>> > > already, concerning the path to GAL for eeschema and who will be
>>> doing
>>> > > what. For example, it might make sense to do the SCHEMATIC class
>>> > > refactoring you were talking about before or in parallel with
>>> parts of
>>> > > the porting effort.
>>> > >
>>> > > I'm up for working on this too, as soon as my connectivity / bus
>>> stuff
>>> > > has landed.
>>> > >
>>> > > -Jon
>>> > >
>>> > > On Sun, Mar 4, 2018, 14:46 Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
>>> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>>> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > I agree. If it's not an easy straight forward fix, I would
>>> prefer to
>>> > > spend our precious manpower resources on the GAL port as
>>> well. I don't
>>> > > know when in the v6 cycle any of this will happen but I'm
>>> guessing it
>>> > > will happen fairly early. Tom or Orson, do either of you
>>> have any idea
>>> > > when this will happen?
>>> > >
>>> > > Wayne
>>> > >
>>> > > On 03/04/2018 02:40 PM, Jon Evans wrote:
>>> > > > FWIW, I don't find the existing performance to be
>>> unusable, it's just
>>> > > > not up to the standards of PcbNew/GAL. I don't think it's
>>> worth any
>>> > > > effort beyond easy fixes, we should put that energy into
>>> the GAL
>>> > > port.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > -Jon
>>> > > >
>>> > > > On Sun, Mar 4, 2018, 14:34 Bernhard Stegmaier
>>> > > <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>>> > > > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:
>>> stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >>>>
>>> > > wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > I would judge it wrt eeschema GAL conversion.
>>> > > > If that starts with v6, I don’t know if it is worth
>>> the effort.
>>> > > > If it is unsure when this will happen, it might be
>>> worth it.
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >> On 4. Mar 2018, at 20:30, Wayne Stambaugh
>>> > > <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>> > > >> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:
>>> stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>>
>>> > > wrote:
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> Ughh! I don't have a good answer for this one. My
>>> > best guess is
>>> > > >> to fix
>>> > > >> the wx macos code first and see what performance
>>> issues are
>>> > > left. The
>>> > > >> problem with messing with any of this is that if you
>>> break
>>> > > >> something it
>>> > > >> will break all of the legacy canvas rendering not
>>> just the
>>> > > schematic
>>> > > >> editor. I would move extremely carefully here. I
>>> > would prefer
>>> > > >> that we
>>> > > >> don't go too crazy this late in the v5 release cycle.
>>> > If the
>>> > > >> performance is truly not usable on macos, then we may
>>> > have no
>>> > > choice.
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> On 03/04/2018 02:07 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
>>> > > >>> It turns out the fonts aren’t really the problem.
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> It starts with this gem in wxWidgets:
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>>
>>> > >
>>> > voidwxWidgetCocoaImpl::ScrollRect(constwxRect*rect,int
>>> dx,intdy)
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> {
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> #if1
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> SetNeedsDisplay();
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> #else
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> //Weshoulddosomethingliket
>>> his,butitwasn'tworkingin10.4.
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> if(GetNeedsDisplay())
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> {
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> SetNeedsDisplay() ;
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> }
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> NSRectr=wxToNSRect([m_osxViewsuperview],*rect);
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> NSSizeoffset=NSMakeSize((float)dx,(float)dy);
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> [m_osxViewscrollRect:rby:offset];
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> #endif
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> }
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> SetNeedsDisplay() with no rectangle argument
>>> > invalidates the
>>> > > >>> entire window.
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> Even if you fix that (to scroll most of the window
>>> and
>>> > only
>>> > > >>> invalidate
>>> > > >>> the newly-exposed parts), you run into this:
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>>
>>> > >
>>> > voidwxWidgetCocoaImpl::drawRect(void*rect,WXWidgetslf,
>>> void*WXUNUSED(_cmd))
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> {
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> //preparingtheupdateregion
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> wxRegionupdateRgn;
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>>
>>> > >
>>> > //sinceaddingmanyrectstoaregionisacostlyprocess,bydefa
>>> ultusetheboundingrect
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> #if0
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> constNSRect*rects;
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> NSIntegercount;
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> [slfgetRectsBeingDrawn:&rectscount:&count];
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> for(inti=0;i<count;++i)
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> {
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> updateRgn.Union(wxFromNSRect(slf,rects[i]));
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> }
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> #else
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> updateRgn.Union(wxFromNSRe
>>> ct(slf,*(NSRect*)rect));
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> #endif
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> …which will /also/ cause the whole window to be
>>> > repainted if
>>> > > there’s
>>> > > >>> both an invalidated horizontal strip and a vertical
>>> one.
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> And the latter turns out to be pretty much guaranteed
>>> > by this
>>> > > >>> one, which
>>> > > >>> batches repaints:
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> voidwxNonOwnedWindow::Update()
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> {
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> if(clock()-s_lastFlush>CLOCKS_PER_SEC/30)
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> {
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> s_lastFlush=clock();
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> m_nowpeer->Update();
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> }
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> }
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> But even Kicad isn’t blameless. Once you fix all
>>> > those there’s
>>> > > >>> still no
>>> > > >>> checking in SCH_SCREEN::Draw() to see if the
>>> > individual draw
>>> > > items
>>> > > >>> intersect the update region. (Sure, the actually
>>> > drawing is
>>> > > >>> clipped in
>>> > > >>> the end, but you still go through a /lot/ of code to
>>> > get there.)
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> All of these are fixable, and we’ve already crossed
>>> the
>>> > > Rubicon of
>>> > > >>> having our own OSX wxWidgets branch.
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> But it’s still a reasonable amount of work, with a
>>> > > non-trivial risk
>>> > > >>> profile. Should I continue?
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> Cheers,
>>> > > >>> Jeff.
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>>> On 4 Mar 2018, at 01:30, Bernhard Stegmaier
>>> > > >>>> <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>>> > > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>>> > > >>>> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:
>>> stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> > > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:
>>> stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
>>> > > >>>>
>>> > > >>>> No.
>>> > > >>>>
>>> > > >>>>> On 4. Mar 2018, at 01:51, Andrey Kuznetsov
>>> > > <kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>> > > >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>>> > > >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:
>>> kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>>
>>> > > wrote:
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>> Would it be an easy fix to change the text/font
>>> such that it
>>> > > >>>>> does not
>>> > > >>>>> affect performance so significantly on MacOS?
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>> On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 5:20 AM, Wayne Stambaugh
>>> > > >>>>> <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
>>> >
>>> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>> > > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>>> > > >>>>> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>> >>
>>> > wrote:
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>> On 03/03/2018 07:33 AM, Jeff Young wrote:
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>> Hi Andrey,
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>> I did some profiling and I’d guess that the
>>> > > difference in
>>> > > >>>>> eeschema and pcbnew-legacy performance is
>>> > down to there
>>> > > >>>>> being
>>> > > >>>>> more text in the schema. Since we use a
>>> > stroke font,
>>> > > >>>>> there’s
>>> > > >>>>> a lot of stroke segments in each letter.
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>> @Devs,
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>> I understand why we use a stroke font on the
>>> > PCB, but
>>> > > >>>>> there’s
>>> > > >>>>> not much reason in eeschema, is there?
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>> This is possibly one of the things that I plan
>>> on
>>> > > changing after
>>> > > >>>>> the new schematic file format is written. The
>>> > new file
>>> > > format
>>> > > >>>>> will support font definitions so replacing the
>>> stroke
>>> > > font in
>>> > > >>>>> Eeschema should be doable. Whether or not I
>>> have time
>>> > > to make
>>> > > >>>>> this change remains to be seen.
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>> Wayne
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>> Cheers,
>>> > > >>>>> Jeff.
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>> On 3 Mar 2018, at 08:18, Andrey
>>> Kuznetsov
>>> > > >>>>> <kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>> > > >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:
>>> kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>>> > > >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>> > > >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>
>>> > wrote:
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>> The motherboard project is not very
>>> > complex, I
>>> > > would say
>>> > > >>>>> that performance should be tolerable UP
>>> > to that
>>> > > size
>>> > > >>>>> complexity, if we set the bar any lower,
>>> > > usability will
>>> > > >>>>> suffer and people won't like KiCad
>>> > because it's
>>> > > sluggish
>>> > > >>>>> and interface lag is the worst kind of
>>> lag.
>>> > > >>>>> My project isn't finished and Chris'
>>> > project is
>>> > > >>>>> available
>>> > > >>>>> now, is just the right complexity and
>>> has
>>> > layout
>>> > > >>>>> that can
>>> > > >>>>> be used for testing as well as a
>>> schematic.
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>> *LG 5K 27" display running 3200x1800
>>> (the
>>> > highest
>>> > > >>>>> resolution without making text blurry,
>>> using
>>> > > this for
>>> > > >>>>> work every day, so it's extravagant,
>>> it's
>>> > > practical)*
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>> *Actions:* pan with middle mouse, zoom
>>> > back and
>>> > > forth.
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>> *eeschema:*
>>> > > >>>>> Low Res - at least 2 times slower than
>>> > would be
>>> > > >>>>> considered normal, I would have to guess
>>> > ~400ms lag
>>> > > >>>>> Normal - 4-5x slower compared to low
>>> res mode
>>> > > >>>>> ~1700ms lag
>>> > > >>>>> Even in low res mode, and removing 75%
>>> of the
>>> > > items from
>>> > > >>>>> Chris' schematic, the lag is still
>>> > ~200-300ms,
>>> > > that's
>>> > > >>>>> just not right. Additionally, I filed
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054
>>> > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054>
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054
>>> > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054>>
>>> > > because
>>> > > >>>>> the mouse zoom is screwed up in
>>> eeschema,
>>> > > coupled with
>>> > > >>>>> the lag, it's unusable. Maybe the pan
>>> lag is
>>> > > related to
>>> > > >>>>> the zoom, maybe there are multiple steps
>>> > being
>>> > > rendered
>>> > > >>>>> when it should just jump to where the
>>> mouse
>>> > > ended up at,
>>> > > >>>>> I don't know.
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>> *pcbnew - **Normal Resolution:*
>>> > > >>>>> Accelerated: No-AA, <50ms
>>> > > >>>>> Fallback: 500-1000ms for panning,
>>> > 300-600ms for
>>> > > zoom
>>> > > >>>>> Legacy: 1300-1700ms for panning, 600ms
>>> > for zoom
>>> > > >>>>> Low Res mode: did not notice speed
>>> > increase, except
>>> > > >>>>> maybe
>>> > > >>>>> Fallback was ~400ms faster.
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>> I'm not saying halt the horses, certain
>>> > modes are
>>> > > >>>>> obviously limited, ie Legacy and
>>> Fallback by
>>> > > the nature
>>> > > >>>>> of the task presented, but eeschema is
>>> barely
>>> > > displaying
>>> > > >>>>> 10% of the content pcbnew is but
>>> lagging so
>>> > > much worse!
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>> Just thought I'd include rendering of
>>> the
>>> > > Accelerated
>>> > > >>>>> Graphics (top to bottom: Supersampling
>>> 4x,
>>> > > Subpixel AA
>>> > > >>>>> (Ultra Quality), No AA)
>>> > > >>>>> All 3 modes are responsive, probably
>>> > <50-100ms
>>> > > lag, I'd
>>> > > >>>>> consider this performance great,
>>> considering
>>> > > the amount
>>> > > >>>>> of elements on screen.
>>> > > >>>>> <image.png>
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>> How long should it take to delete this
>>> many
>>> > > selected
>>> > > >>>>> elements in pcbnew?
>>> > > >>>>> Answer: about 50x too long! I think it
>>> > was like
>>> > > 3mins,
>>> > > >>>>> perhaps ESC key should be available to
>>> press
>>> > > anytime to
>>> > > >>>>> undo the delete action and restore to
>>> > > pre-delete screen
>>> > > >>>>> when accidental actions are triggered
>>> > that take
>>> > > forever
>>> > > >>>>> to complete?
>>> > > >>>>> <image.png>
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Bernhard
>>> > Stegmaier
>>> > > >>>>> <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> > > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:
>>> stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>>> > > >>>>> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> > > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> > > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:
>>> stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>>> > > >>>>> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> > > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:
>>> stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>>> > > >>>>> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> > > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote:
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>> Hi,
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>> to be honest, I don’t really know
>>> > what this is
>>> > > >>>>> about.
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>> @Andrey:
>>> > > >>>>> You looked for a very complex
>>> > (foreign) project
>>> > > >>>>> (Chris mainboard?)
>>> > > >>>>> to prove that eeschema is slow on
>>> Mac?
>>> > > >>>>> Well, we know that and we told you
>>> > already some
>>> > > >>>>> weeks/months ago
>>> > > >>>>> why it is like it is (if memory
>>> serves me
>>> > > right).
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>> Or, do you have an own project that
>>> is so
>>> > > >>>>> ridiculously slow, that
>>> > > >>>>> you can’t work with it?
>>> > > >>>>> If so, please provide it so that we
>>> can
>>> > > analyse why
>>> > > >>>>> this specific
>>> > > >>>>> project behaves like that.
>>> > > >>>>> If you can’t or don’t want to
>>> provide
>>> > it we
>>> > > could
>>> > > >>>>> tell you how to
>>> > > >>>>> do some performance measurements so
>>> > that we
>>> > > >>>>> might see
>>> > > >>>>> something.
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>> Obviously, there are a number of Mac
>>> > users
>>> > > here and
>>> > > >>>>> also over at
>>> > > >>>>> the KiCad forum who might also be
>>> > happy to get
>>> > > >>>>> some more
>>> > > >>>>> performance here and there, but who
>>> > are in
>>> > > general
>>> > > >>>>> reasonably able
>>> > > >>>>> to work on their projects (including
>>> > > myself, on a
>>> > > >>>>> 2012 Retina
>>> > > >>>>> MacBook with only an i5).
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>> Regards,
>>> > > >>>>> Bernhard
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>> > On 2. Mar 2018, at 17:59, Andy
>>> Peters
>>> > > >>>>> <devel@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:
>>> devel@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>> > > >>>>> <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>>> <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>> <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>> <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > > <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote:
>>> > > >>>>> >
>>> > > >>>>> >
>>> > > >>>>> >
>>> > > >>>>> >> On Mar 1, 2018, at 8:53 PM, Seth
>>> > Hillbrand
>>> > > >>>>> <seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>> > > >>>>> <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>>> > > >>>>> <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>>> > > >>>>> <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>> > > >>>>> <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote:
>>> > > >>>>> >>
>>> > > >>>>> >> Andrey-
>>> > > >>>>> >>
>>> > > >>>>> >> I'm moving this to a new thread
>>> so
>>> > that
>>> > > we don't
>>> > > >>>>> conflate the
>>> > > >>>>> OpenMP discussion with this.
>>> > > >>>>> >>
>>> > > >>>>> >> Can you test running Kicad with
>>> the
>>> > > "Open in Low
>>> > > >>>>> Resolution"
>>> > > >>>>> mode enabled? You can activate
>>> this by
>>> > > choosing
>>> > > >>>>> "Get
>>> > > >>>>> Info" on the
>>> > > >>>>> main KiCad application and checking
>>> the
>>> > > option that
>>> > > >>>>> says "Open in
>>> > > >>>>> Low Resolution". You may need to do
>>> > the same
>>> > > >>>>> for the
>>> > > >>>>> other
>>> > > >>>>> applications (Eeschema, pcbnew, etc)
>>> > as well.
>>> > > >>>>> >
>>> > > >>>>> > testing on my 2017” touch-bar MBP
>>> …
>>> > > >>>>> >
>>> > > >>>>> > Good g-d, low-res mode looks fuzzy
>>> > and weird!
>>> > > >>>>> >
>>> > > >>>>> > I don’t notice any specific
>>> > differences in
>>> > > >>>>> EESchema
>>> > > >>>>> performance.
>>> > > >>>>> Maybe my schematic isn’t busy
>>> enough?
>>> > I’m a
>>> > > fan of
>>> > > >>>>> using more
>>> > > >>>>> smaller sheets with less info on
>>> each
>>> > than
>>> > > one big
>>> > > >>>>> sheet with
>>> > > >>>>> everything.
>>> > > >>>>> >
>>> > > >>>>> > I know, anecdote is not evidence.
>>> > > >>>>> >
>>> > > >>>>> > -a
>>> > > >>>>> >
>>> > > >>>>> >
>>> > > >>>>> >>
>>> > > >>>>> >> -Seth
>>> > > >>>>> >>
>>> > > >>>>> >> 2018-03-01 18:09 GMT-08:00
>>> Andrey
>>> > > Kuznetsov
>>> > > >>>>> <kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>> > > >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:
>>> kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>>> > > >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>>> >>:
>>> > > >>>>> >> Hi,
>>> > > >>>>> >>
>>> > > >>>>> >> So for now I've had a chance to
>>> > test the
>>> > > >>>>> motherboard project on
>>> > > >>>>> my Retina macbook display.
>>> > > >>>>> >> eeschema: horrible zoom, feels
>>> like
>>> > > elastic band
>>> > > >>>>> zoom and I
>>> > > >>>>> have all scroll wheel accelerations
>>> > and similar
>>> > > >>>>> disabled, zoom
>>> > > >>>>> response is super laggy, cannot
>>> work like
>>> > > this, will
>>> > > >>>>> need to make
>>> > > >>>>> schematics on windows.
>>> > > >>>>> >> pcbnew by order of slowness:
>>> > > >>>>> >> legacy - pretty slow, zoom lag is
>>> > major,
>>> > > boo boo
>>> > > >>>>> >> modern (fallback) - decent, but
>>> > the lag
>>> > > can be
>>> > > >>>>> felt, zoom lag
>>> > > >>>>> is minor
>>> > > >>>>> >> modern (accelerated) - almost
>>> cannot
>>> > > feel the
>>> > > >>>>> lag,
>>> > > >>>>> very nice,
>>> > > >>>>> nice zoom responsiveness
>>> > > >>>>> >>
>>> > > >>>>> >> I'll report tomorrow on 5K LG
>>> display.
>>> > > >>>>> >>
>>> > > >>>>> >
>>> > > >>>>> >
>>> > > >>>>> >
>>> > > _______________________________________________
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>>> > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers
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>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>> --
>>> > > >>>>> Remember The Past, Live The Present,
>>> > Change The
>>> > > Future
>>> > > >>>>> Those who look only to the past or the
>>> > present are
>>> > > >>>>> certain to miss the future [JFK]
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>> kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>> > > >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:
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>>> > > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
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>>> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>>
>>> > > >>>>> Live Long and Prosper,
>>> > > >>>>> Andrey
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > _______________________________________________
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>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>> --
>>> > > >>>>> Remember The Past, Live The Present, Change The
>>> Future
>>> > > >>>>> Those who look only to the past or the present are
>>> > certain
>>> > > to miss
>>> > > >>>>> the future [JFK]
>>> > > >>>>>
>>> > > >>>>> kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>> > > >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:
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>>> > > <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>
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>>> > > >>>>> Andrey
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Those who look only to the past or the present are certain to miss the
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Re: Mac HighDPI performance
From: Wayne Stambaugh, 2018-03-05
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Re: Mac HighDPI performance
From: Jon Evans, 2018-03-05
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Re: Mac HighDPI performance
From: Wayne Stambaugh, 2018-03-05
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Re: Mac HighDPI performance
From: José Ignacio, 2018-03-05
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Re: Mac HighDPI performance
From: Jon Evans, 2018-03-05
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Re: Mac HighDPI performance
From: Robbert Lagerweij, 2018-03-06
