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[Michael McCormack <mike@xxxxxxxxxx>]

If cypress created a Linux release for their tools I would gladly go back
to Linux. Last job was STM32 which had decent Linux support (not through
ST) and I forgot how much "fun" Windows can be.

Again sorry for the distraction.

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:51 PM Jeff Young <jeff@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> It gets points for one of the stranger ephemera I’ve seen, anyway….
>
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> On 17 Apr 2018, at 23:37, Michael McCormack <mike@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> I tried deleting the path from the module, no change to the results.
>
> I in installed Kicad and reinstalled, out works in all cases - I give up,
> I really should stick to Linux. I apologize for wasting everyone's time I
> something that we an obvious gift of Windows.
>
> Thanks and sorry
>
> Mike
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 2:51 PM Michael McCormack <mike@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> If I open the board with pcbnew as a separate task, the hole is there; if
>> I open the board from the kicad project, the hole is not.
>>
>> Could it be the path back to the schematic is corrupt and therefore
>> opening the board as part of the project doesn't show the hole?
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 11:50 AM, Michael McCormack <mike@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I edited the pcb file with a text editor, moving the module around to
>>> other locations in the file did not fix the problem, moving the pad to
>>> other places on the board also did nothing.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 8:07 AM, Michael McCormack <mike@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have not had any similar problems on other boards. It used to be
>>>> visible when the hole was in the upper right corner. I moved it out of the
>>>> way when I made the big cut in that corner and forgot about it (and I guess
>>>> it disappeared so you can understand the forgetting.)
>>>>
>>>> I had serious trouble closing the board outline, I could not get lines
>>>> to where the arcs ended. We ended up drawing the board outline in OnShape
>>>> and importing a dxf if you think that matters.
>>>>
>>>> I can try editing the pcb file in a text editor a little later today
>>>> and post the results.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 17, 2018 6:44 AM, "Jeff Young" <jeff@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Do you see this bug on any other boards?  If you edit the board in a
>>>> text editor to move the mounting hole, is it still invisible?
>>>>
>>>> I can’t figure out why we can’t reproduce this….
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 17 Apr 2018, at 11:40, Michael McCormack <mike@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I never tried to change setting on the routers, still, no better with
>>>> this bug regardless.
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 17, 2018 6:23 AM, "Jeff Young" <jeff@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Michael,
>>>>
>>>> Odd.
>>>>
>>>> FWIW, if you set the interactive router to “Highlight Collisions” mode
>>>> it will put you in the driver’s seat.  (I think it then acts more like
>>>> Default, although it’s been so long since I’ve used Default I can’t
>>>> remember exactly.)
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Jeff.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 17 Apr 2018, at 11:14, Michael McCormack <mike@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Not a help,
>>>> <image.png>
>>>>
>>>> And I'd do more outside of default view if backspace and delete worked
>>>> on traces the same or maybe if the interactive router wasn't so wonky when
>>>> I'm trying to be precise about where I want traces (you pitched it so I'm
>>>> providing the feedback.)
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 5:59 AM, Jeff Young <jeff@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Michael,
>>>>>
>>>>> You appear to be in Legacy graphics mode (probably still called
>>>>> “Default” in 4.0.7).  Have you tried OpenGL or Cairo graphics mode?  (Note
>>>>> that the modes also change the toolsets, and are a big step up over the
>>>>> default/legacy toolset.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Jeff.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 17 Apr 2018, at 10:45, Michael McCormack <mike@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I did try that, but given the oddness of the behavior, I did not
>>>>> resave the board in case someone wanted to check it out and saving would
>>>>> somehow mess things up.  Here is the screen shot with all layers and
>>>>> everything enable, still empty at the bottom.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <image.png>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 5:14 AM, jp charras <jp.charras@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Le 17/04/2018 à 03:42, Steven A. Falco a écrit :
>>>>>> > I tried opening the board under Fedora Linux with Kicad 4.0.7 using
>>>>>> pcbnew in stand-alone mode, and the hole is visible, as shown in the
>>>>>> attached screen-shot.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >       Steve
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On 04/16/2018 09:30 PM, Jon Evans wrote:
>>>>>> >> I tested on Ubuntu and Windows 10 using 5.0rc2 and don't see the
>>>>>> problem, so I guess it has been fixed somewhere along the way.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 8:12 PM, Michael McCormack <
>>>>>> mike@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:mike@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>     OK, here is the boar file, if you need anything else, please
>>>>>> let me know.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>     On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 6:09 PM, Jeff Young <jeff@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>         Looks like a different bug (2.9mm drill is smaller than
>>>>>> 3.2mm pad).
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>         I can’t reproduce it on 5.0rc2 Mac.  Not sure if that’s
>>>>>> because it’s fixed in 5.0, or it only shows up on Windows, or it’s
>>>>>> something specific to Michael’s setup.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>>         On 16 Apr 2018, at 22:44, Michael McCormack <
>>>>>> mike@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:mike@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I tried the board both under Pcbnew 4.07 last stable and the current
>>>>>> 5.0rc2 and I do not have any
>>>>>> problem with these NPTH pads (I can edit the pad and move the
>>>>>> footprint).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Be aware you have set many layers and NPTH to "no show".
>>>>>> Perhaps you should set all items and layers to "show"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>         This is the module snipped from the board file:
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>           (module Ori:MountingHole_3.2mm_M3_ISO14580 (layer F.Cu)
>>>>>> (tedit 59C8FBCE) (tstamp 5AC4E91C)
>>>>>> >>>             (at 138.25 141.050001)
>>>>>> >>>             (descr "Mounting Hole 3.2mm, no annular, M3,
>>>>>> ISO14580")
>>>>>> >>>             (tags "mounting hole 3.2mm no annular m3 iso14580")
>>>>>> >>>             (path /583B5C0A)
>>>>>> >>>             (fp_text reference M1 (at 0 -3.75) (layer F.SilkS)
>>>>>> hide
>>>>>> >>>               (effects (font (size 1 1) (thickness 0.15)))
>>>>>> >>>             )
>>>>>> >>>             (fp_text value "M3_Mounting Hole" (at 0 3.75) (layer
>>>>>> F.Fab)
>>>>>> >>>               (effects (font (size 1 1) (thickness 0.15)))
>>>>>> >>>             )
>>>>>> >>>             (fp_circle (center 0 0) (end 2.75 0) (layer
>>>>>> Cmts.User) (width 0.15))
>>>>>> >>>             (fp_circle (center 0 0) (end 3 0) (layer F.CrtYd)
>>>>>> (width 0.05))
>>>>>> >>>             (pad "" np_thru_hole circle (at 0 0) (size 3.2 3.2)
>>>>>> (drill 2.9) (layers *.Cu *.Mask)
>>>>>> >>>               (clearance 2))
>>>>>> >>>           )
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>         I am using 4.0.7 under Windows 10, if you decode this is
>>>>>> the known bug I sincerely apologize for having wasted your time.  I did not
>>>>>> see a bug that I thought was the same thing.  If not, I will mail it to any
>>>>>> and all of you to look at.  I won't obfuscate, I'd be afraid to disturb the
>>>>>> problem.  I see no real problem sharing the board with Kicad developers but
>>>>>> can also understand why my employer is not keen to have our boards posted
>>>>>> on the internet.
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>         Cheers
>>>>>> >>>         Mike
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>         On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 5:13 PM, Jon Evans <
>>>>>> jon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>             That sounds like a bug (if there is invalid data like
>>>>>> that, we should deal with it in a better way)
>>>>>> >>>             It sounds like it might be easy to make a trivial
>>>>>> test case to attach to a bug report without using your employer's board
>>>>>> as-is
>>>>>> >>>             (maybe by removing everything manually from the
>>>>>> kicad_pcb file except for the hole in question and the board outline?)
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>             I can't take a look at this right this moment, but I
>>>>>> could in the next few days if no one else jumps on it first.
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>             -Jon
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>             On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 4:35 PM, Michael McCormack <
>>>>>> mike@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:mike@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>                 This might not be quite the right place to post
>>>>>> this, but, I've found something that is a slightly problematic with Kicad
>>>>>> and board file.  I have a PCB that has a NPH hole located off the board, I
>>>>>> can't see it or select it inside PCBNew, however, it gets a hole in the
>>>>>> gerbers and I can find it in the kicad_pcb file if I open the file with a
>>>>>> text editor.
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>                 As it is my employer's board, I can't see them
>>>>>> being OK with me creating a bug report and posting the board file for just
>>>>>> anyone to see; but, as I have used Kicad myself probably a decade I'd send
>>>>>> it to someone to evaluate if it would help the project.
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>                 Is anyone interested?
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jean-Pierre CHARRAS
>>>>>>
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