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[Kristoffer Ödmark <kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx>]

The patch should only affect first startup, changes to the fields will be
saved

On May 20, 2018 22:18, "Seth Hillbrand" <seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

​Hi Kristoffer-

This feels like a management issue rather than a tool issue.  If the user
doesn't want any extra fields, how would your patch allow that?

-S


Am So., 20. Mai 2018 um 13:00 Uhr schrieb kristoffer Ödmark <
kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx>:

> Hello!
>
> I will open this can of worms again, I feel that I have to. So from what
> I gather we have proffessionals as the main aim in Kicad.
> The reason I will open this issue again is that I feel we have a
> collaboration issue, maybe not a mayor one. But one nonetheless.
>
> We really need more default fields for our schematic symbols. Im not
> proposing required fields, I am *ONLY* proposing that
> there should be default fields added into the default fields settings
> tab. I am not proposing they need to be filled in the
> libraries, nor that people need to use them. only that they need to
> exist with a fresh install of kicad so that easy problems
> such as theese do not happen:
>
>      - Collaborators working on the same project will not create
> duplicate fields in libs/projects describing the same thing by mistake
>      - Projects that aim to interact or add to Kicad can assume that the
> Fields will exist, and will know what name/tag to look for
>        (bom exporters, price checkers, MacroFab, etc)
>      - Open source projects will be easier to collaborate, read and order
>
> The reason I think it is better to have the fields by default than the
> current solution to add them is that the majority will use
> what exists, and tools can support it from the very beginning, people
> with inhouse tools seems to dislike this, since they map their
> parts with an inhouse number - and then handle the information about the
> part there. From what I gather, this is not the majority, and
> these persons still modify the default fields settings.
>
> I spent maybe 30-40 mins checking the "made with kicad" projects, I
> found that the most common addition to libs and schematics are:
>      - Manufacturers part number, these were named widely different in
> projects, (BOM, MP, MPN, #mfg, or different syntaxes in the Value field )
>          I even saw a mix of these in the same project once, along with
> some people having the vendor id only.
>      - Manufacturer ( found some different languages though )
>
> more uncommon things was, Tolerance( 10%, 20pps), Ratings ( 1/4W, 85C,
> 16V ), Vendor information and different Descriptions. They were named
> and abbreviated
> very differently accross projects.
>
> What I would like to see is these additional fields by default, but
> hidden from the schematic unless changed by user.
>      Tolerance ( used for setting tolerances of resistors, capacitors,
> oscillators, etc )
>      MaxRating ( field were one can specify max Voltage, Ampere,
> Frequency, or whatever the component needs )
>      Manufacturer ( For inhouse numbers, they could either just remove
> it, or use the company/group name )
>      MPN ( Maybe PartNumber could be used here, and people who use
> inhouse numbers use it aswell, I dont really care what its called, as
> long as its called something )
>      Vendor
>      Notes
>
> I would be all up for extra additions/removals, but I would prefer if
> the naming is not discussed, but rather just decided/agreed upon by
> someone in the lead team.
> The very least I think should be added in case the previous is to much are:
>      Tolerance
>      Manufacturer
>      MPN
>
> I attach a patch for the minimal set, tested on linux by removing the
> .config/kicad/eeschema file.
>
> - Kristoffer
>
>
> ps
> Some github files i reviewed, not all:
>
> https://github.com/AnaviTechnology/anavi-gardening/blob/master/MCP3002-I_SN.lib
>
> https://github.com/jonpe960/blixten/blob/master/Blixten%20LED%20Device/Blixten.sch
>
> https://github.com/paltatech/half-bridge/blob/master/pcb%20design/IGBT_board-cache.lib
> https://github.com/pluggee/KiCADLibs/blob/master/sch/cap_smd.lib
>
> https://github.com/jim17/memtype/blob/master/schematic_pcb/electronic_design_kicad/electronic_design_kicad.sch
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