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[Adam Wolf <adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

It looks like globally, about 15%.  I do not have any insight into how our
users different from the global average.

However, I did not hear a single complaint when we moved the bar from 10.9
to 10.11, following the rules of "current, plus the two previous releases"
that Apple appears to use.

There are three main reasons why I ask:

1) 10.14 was released in the middle of the 5 cycle.

2) there is always more work to be done and not having to dig into this
means more time for the other things, like getting Python 3 working in
KiCad on macOS... But I also don't want to ruin a bunch of user's days
either.

3) Now that it is easy for Mac devs to build and generate packages, there's
more incentive to keep the build process simple and sane.  The macOS 4.x
releases, I'm not joking, were probably only buildable on one computer on
this planet, due to all the weird hand-crafted dependencies.  I am not
saying that looking into or fixing this issue will immediately cause the
Mac builds to be unreproducible and full of cruft, but it could end up that
way and it's important to consider.

Mainly, I want someone else to make this hard choice for me :p

It might be an OK time to switch nightlies over, and see what sort of
pushback we get?  I'm not sure.

Adam



On Thu, Nov 1, 2018, 8:03 AM Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx wrote:

> Hey Adam,
>
> Do you have any idea how much of an impact that this will have on our
> macos user base?  If it's minimal, than I would say go ahead any move
> builds to 10.12.  If it's something like half of the users, then that is
> problematic.  I wouldn't want to have that big of hit to our user base.
>  Anyone else have any thoughts on this.  I'm not a mac user so I don't
> have a good feel as to whether or not this is going to be an issue.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Wayne
>
> On 10/31/2018 4:40 PM, Adam Wolf wrote:
> > Last night our automated builds that build on 10.11 both failed because
> > the latest version of our dependencies no longer builds on 10.11.
> >
> > How much time should we put into this, rather than move the builds to
> > 10.12 and leave the 10.11 users where they're at?
> >
> > Apple does not announce end of life, but if they follow what they've
> > done in the past, there will be no more security updates for 10.11 now
> > that 10.14 is released.
> >
> > Adam
> >
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