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[Jeff Young <jeff@xxxxxxxxx>]

My daughter just had to upgrade from 10.11 to 10.12 because something else stopped working.  So we won’t be alone. ;)

(In any event, I encouraged her to keep more up-to-date.  There’s really not much down-side on the Mac, although I’ll admit I usually don’t go all the way to the latest.)

> On 1 Nov 2018, at 16:53, Seth Hillbrand <seth@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> Hi All-
> 
> I think we should cease support for 10.11 at 5.0.x. MacOS upgrades are free and generally support Apple hardware back to 2012 [1].  While there may be some users who don't want to upgrade their operating system but do want to upgrade KiCad, that seems unnecessarily obstinate.
> 
> -Seth
> 
> [1] https://www.apple.com/macos/how-to-upgrade/#hardware-requirements
> 
> 
> Am 2018-11-01 10:28, schrieb Adam Wolf:
>> It looks like globally, about 15%.  I do not have any insight into how
>> our users different from the global average.
>> However, I did not hear a single complaint when we moved the bar from
>> 10.9 to 10.11, following the rules of "current, plus the two previous
>> releases" that Apple appears to use.
>> There are three main reasons why I ask:
>> 1) 10.14 was released in the middle of the 5 cycle.
>> 2) there is always more work to be done and not having to dig into
>> this means more time for the other things, like getting Python 3
>> working in KiCad on macOS... But I also don't want to ruin a bunch of
>> user's days either.
>> 3) Now that it is easy for Mac devs to build and generate packages,
>> there's more incentive to keep the build process simple and sane.  The
>> macOS 4.x releases, I'm not joking, were probably only buildable on
>> one computer on this planet, due to all the weird hand-crafted
>> dependencies.  I am not saying that looking into or fixing this issue
>> will immediately cause the Mac builds to be unreproducible and full of
>> cruft, but it could end up that way and it's important to consider.
>> Mainly, I want someone else to make this hard choice for me :p
>> It might be an OK time to switch nightlies over, and see what sort of
>> pushback we get?  I'm not sure.
>> Adam
>> On Thu, Nov 1, 2018, 8:03 AM Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
>> wrote:
>>> Hey Adam,
>>> Do you have any idea how much of an impact that this will have on
>>> our
>>> macos user base?  If it's minimal, than I would say go ahead any
>>> move
>>> builds to 10.12.  If it's something like half of the users, then
>>> that is
>>> problematic.  I wouldn't want to have that big of hit to our user
>>> base.
>>> Anyone else have any thoughts on this.  I'm not a mac user so I
>>> don't
>>> have a good feel as to whether or not this is going to be an issue.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Wayne
>>> On 10/31/2018 4:40 PM, Adam Wolf wrote:
>>>> Last night our automated builds that build on 10.11 both failed
>>> because
>>>> the latest version of our dependencies no longer builds on 10.11.
>>>> How much time should we put into this, rather than move the builds
>>> to
>>>> 10.12 and leave the 10.11 users where they're at?
>>>> Apple does not announce end of life, but if they follow what
>>> they've
>>>> done in the past, there will be no more security updates for 10.11
>>> now
>>>> that 10.14 is released.
>>>> Adam
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