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[Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>]

Adam,

I'm fine with you using 10.12 for nightly builds and see how things
shake out.  Hopefully the grumbling will be minimal so you don't have to
fall back to 10.11.  I know your time is limited.

Cheers,

Wayne

On 11/1/2018 10:28 AM, Adam Wolf wrote:
> It looks like globally, about 15%.  I do not have any insight into how
> our users different from the global average.
> 
> However, I did not hear a single complaint when we moved the bar from
> 10.9 to 10.11, following the rules of "current, plus the two previous
> releases" that Apple appears to use.
> 
> There are three main reasons why I ask:
> 
> 1) 10.14 was released in the middle of the 5 cycle.
> 
> 2) there is always more work to be done and not having to dig into this
> means more time for the other things, like getting Python 3 working in
> KiCad on macOS... But I also don't want to ruin a bunch of user's days
> either.
> 
> 3) Now that it is easy for Mac devs to build and generate packages,
> there's more incentive to keep the build process simple and sane.  The
> macOS 4.x releases, I'm not joking, were probably only buildable on one
> computer on this planet, due to all the weird hand-crafted
> dependencies.  I am not saying that looking into or fixing this issue
> will immediately cause the Mac builds to be unreproducible and full of
> cruft, but it could end up that way and it's important to consider.
> 
> Mainly, I want someone else to make this hard choice for me :p
> 
> It might be an OK time to switch nightlies over, and see what sort of
> pushback we get?  I'm not sure.
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Nov 1, 2018, 8:03 AM Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
>     Hey Adam,
> 
>     Do you have any idea how much of an impact that this will have on our
>     macos user base?  If it's minimal, than I would say go ahead any move
>     builds to 10.12.  If it's something like half of the users, then that is
>     problematic.  I wouldn't want to have that big of hit to our user base.
>      Anyone else have any thoughts on this.  I'm not a mac user so I don't
>     have a good feel as to whether or not this is going to be an issue.
> 
>     Cheers,
> 
>     Wayne
> 
>     On 10/31/2018 4:40 PM, Adam Wolf wrote:
>     > Last night our automated builds that build on 10.11 both failed
>     because
>     > the latest version of our dependencies no longer builds on 10.11.
>     >
>     > How much time should we put into this, rather than move the builds to
>     > 10.12 and leave the 10.11 users where they're at?
>     >
>     > Apple does not announce end of life, but if they follow what they've
>     > done in the past, there will be no more security updates for 10.11 now
>     > that 10.14 is released.
>     >
>     > Adam
>     >
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