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[Adam Wolf <adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Sounds good.  I do not have any qualms with fixing this dependency issue.
I just didn't want to take on extra work without us deciding it's a good
idea, rather than me just assuming it is a good idea.  :)

Adam Wolf

On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 7:38 AM Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Adam,
>
> I'm fine with you using 10.12 for nightly builds and see how things
> shake out.  Hopefully the grumbling will be minimal so you don't have to
> fall back to 10.11.  I know your time is limited.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Wayne
>
> On 11/1/2018 10:28 AM, Adam Wolf wrote:
> > It looks like globally, about 15%.  I do not have any insight into how
> > our users different from the global average.
> >
> > However, I did not hear a single complaint when we moved the bar from
> > 10.9 to 10.11, following the rules of "current, plus the two previous
> > releases" that Apple appears to use.
> >
> > There are three main reasons why I ask:
> >
> > 1) 10.14 was released in the middle of the 5 cycle.
> >
> > 2) there is always more work to be done and not having to dig into this
> > means more time for the other things, like getting Python 3 working in
> > KiCad on macOS... But I also don't want to ruin a bunch of user's days
> > either.
> >
> > 3) Now that it is easy for Mac devs to build and generate packages,
> > there's more incentive to keep the build process simple and sane.  The
> > macOS 4.x releases, I'm not joking, were probably only buildable on one
> > computer on this planet, due to all the weird hand-crafted
> > dependencies.  I am not saying that looking into or fixing this issue
> > will immediately cause the Mac builds to be unreproducible and full of
> > cruft, but it could end up that way and it's important to consider.
> >
> > Mainly, I want someone else to make this hard choice for me :p
> >
> > It might be an OK time to switch nightlies over, and see what sort of
> > pushback we get?  I'm not sure.
> >
> > Adam
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 1, 2018, 8:03 AM Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >     Hey Adam,
> >
> >     Do you have any idea how much of an impact that this will have on our
> >     macos user base?  If it's minimal, than I would say go ahead any move
> >     builds to 10.12.  If it's something like half of the users, then
> that is
> >     problematic.  I wouldn't want to have that big of hit to our user
> base.
> >      Anyone else have any thoughts on this.  I'm not a mac user so I
> don't
> >     have a good feel as to whether or not this is going to be an issue.
> >
> >     Cheers,
> >
> >     Wayne
> >
> >     On 10/31/2018 4:40 PM, Adam Wolf wrote:
> >     > Last night our automated builds that build on 10.11 both failed
> >     because
> >     > the latest version of our dependencies no longer builds on 10.11.
> >     >
> >     > How much time should we put into this, rather than move the builds
> to
> >     > 10.12 and leave the 10.11 users where they're at?
> >     >
> >     > Apple does not announce end of life, but if they follow what
> they've
> >     > done in the past, there will be no more security updates for 10.11
> now
> >     > that 10.14 is released.
> >     >
> >     > Adam
> >     >
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